H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

ACuriousPLAFan

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Yeah, it’s a stealth strategic bomber and can hit boomer decision makers right in the G-Spot regarding safety of CONUS, but from China’s POV (at least in this reality) war against US homeland is not really in the cards.

I suppose let's put it this way:

# 1 - If the H-6K/J/N and GJ-X could carry 2-4x YJ-XX each to strike certain air force bases and a certain naval base on Guam, and that the H-20 could carry 6-8x of the same YJ-XX to strike the exact same locations; and
#2 - If the H-6N could only carry 1x JL-XX and launch it against a certain air base in Anchorage from inside China, and that the H-20 can carry 2x of the same JL-XX to strike the exact same location from inside China; and
#3 - If the H-6N can only utilize 1x JL-XX to strike at a certain fighter manufacturing plant at Missouri from 9000 kilometers away and inside China, and that the H-20 can utilize 4x DF-XX to strike the exact same location from 4000-5000 kilometers away and somewhere between Honolulu and Vancouver -

Then having H-20 in PLAAF service is certainly way, way more than just serving as one "status symbol" for a militarily rejuvenating and ascending China.

Of course, the H-20 may only be equipped with either one or both the #2 and #3 capabilities, depending on how the H-20 is eventually designed and engineered - But the still point stands.
 

dingyibvs

Senior Member
The bomber is a reusable platform and the missile is not. It will always have its uses.
Because it is reusable it means it is cheaper per unit of dropped mass on target.

Arrows are reusable and bullets are not, but it wasn't enough to prevent obsolescence. With reusable rockets on the way bringing down thr cost of missiles I do wonder about the future of strategic bombers.
 

lcloo

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Startegic bombers is still relevant because you can use it to choose your missile launching point anywhere within a big radius from your base. And if you have aerial refuel support your action radius will increase further out.

Then you also have the fast and flexible deployment time to send your launching platform, i.e. the bombers, to its launching station.

Geography and military bases is in favour of US, thus the idea of using H20 to reach strike sistance from CONUS is understandable that it is not a top priority. Alternative is ICBM instead. Among the TRIAD, strategic bombers have the lowest, especially for China.
 

phrozenflame

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I don’t think it’s obsolete, just that it is probably not top priority for PLAAF and PLA as a whole given the primary mission.
I think the primary mission is not Taiwan any longer. That objective can be achieved today.

The main ? Is what happens after reunification. The West will try with full extreme sanctions, more so than Russia. So if that system is not dismantled or rendered ineffective, it will be super costly.

I think the primary mission is to extend A2/AD right upto CONUS, complete dismantlement of vassal status of surrounding areas and victory so decisive that the world transitions from rules based order to law based order.

+ If Chinese mainland would be hit, then, its tit for tat.

Hence, IMO in strategic calculus, H-20 makes sense.
 

siegecrossbow

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I think the primary mission is not Taiwan any longer. That objective can be achieved today.

The main ? Is what happens after reunification. The West will try with full extreme sanctions, more so than Russia. So if that system is not dismantled or rendered ineffective, it will be super costly.

I think the primary mission is to extend A2/AD right upto CONUS, complete dismantlement of vassal status of surrounding areas and victory so decisive that the world transitions from rules based order to law based order.

+ If Chinese mainland would be hit, then, its tit for tat.

Hence, IMO in strategic calculus, H-20 makes sense.
Has reunification actually happened? Until red banners are physically flying over Taipei reunification will always be primary objective.
 

charles18

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I think the primary mission is to extend A2/AD right upto CONUS, complete dismantlement of vassal status of surrounding areas and victory so decisive that the world transitions from rules based order to law based order.

+ If Chinese mainland would be hit, then, its tit for tat.

Hence, IMO in strategic calculus, H-20 makes sense.
If we look at the geography of the USA there is an ocean of water to its west and east. There are 2 very weak nations to the north and south. There are No military threats anywhere within a 4,000 km radius of its borders. Because of this the US military can focus 100% on long distance power projection and ignore short range defense.

China has an "opposite" geography.
There's at least a half a dozen nations, relatively close by, that can potentially become hostile in a future war.
It makes no sense to be preoccupied with the idea of running 12,000 km across the Pacific ocean to hit a long distance target when you literally have a half a dozen rivals that can hamstring your efforts before you even reach 4,000 km out.

I don't understand the fascination some people have with "hitting" the USA.
How come there isn't a fascination with China convincing all the east Asians nations to turn their backs away from the USA and instead chose military neutrality? If China succeeds in this, then the USA loses its military influence in Asia and must compete on its economic merit which we all know isn't very good these days.
 

TK3600

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If we look at the geography of the USA there is an ocean of water to its west and east. There are 2 very weak nations to the north and south. There are No military threats anywhere within a 4,000 km radius of its borders. Because of this the US military can focus 100% on long distance power projection and ignore short range defense.

China has an "opposite" geography.
There's at least a half a dozen nations, relatively close by, that can potentially become hostile in a future war.
It makes no sense to be preoccupied with the idea of running 12,000 km across the Pacific ocean to hit a long distance target when you literally have a half a dozen rivals that can hamstring your efforts before you even reach 4,000 km out.

I don't understand the fascination some people have with "hitting" the USA.
How come there isn't a fascination with China convincing all the east Asians nations to turn their backs away from the USA and instead chose military neutrality? If China succeeds in this, then the USA loses its military influence in Asia and must compete on its economic merit which we all know isn't very good these days.
I think Chinese geography is more similar to US than you think. Lets see whats around China:

Russia: Preoccupied with Europe. Friendly relation.

India: separated by worlds tallest mountains and neutralized by Pakistani proxy.

South Korea: Neutralized by North Korea. Minor nuisance.

Taiwan: Minor nuisance, and the first one to go down in a conflict.

Japan: The only relevant threat and the military is built around fighting Japan and US combo.

Others: Vietnam and etc are irrelevant, less relevant than Canada and Mexico that you dismissed.

Essentially China is an island. With the exception of Russia there is no relevant enemy with sufficient border access. The closest is Japan across the sea. If Japan is shut down with naval dominance, then hitting US is a reasonable next goal.

The importance of hitting US is not that everything should dedicate to hitting US. It is important to have credible threat to US main land that disrupt American strategy closer by. US would need to be in constant air patrol, deploy SAM networks, relocate sensitive industry, and those effort would divert resources from regions closer to China.

Technically a couple ballistic missile could do it, but those exhaust way too quickly. H-20 would make these harassment much more affordable and constant. Not to mention, just because H20 can hit US mainland doesn't mean it cannot deploy tactically against targets closer by. Who is to say H-20 cannot lob a few heavy anti ship missile to targets west of Hawaii? Or drop a few tons of glide bombs on Taiwan and Japan once their air defense is neutralized?
 
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tamsen_ikard

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I think Chinese geography is more similar to US than you think. Lets see whats around China:

Russia: Preoccupied with Europe. Friendly relation.

India: separated by worlds tallest mountains and neutralized by Pakistani proxy.

South Korea: Neutralized by North Korea. Minor nuisance.

Taiwan: Minor nuisance, and the first one to go down in a conflict.

Japan: The only relevant threat and the military is built around fighting Japan and US combo.

Others: Vietnam and etc are irrelevant, less relevant than Canada and Mexico that you dismissed.

Essentially China is an island. With the exception of Russia there is no relevant enemy with sufficient border access. The closest is Japan across the sea. If Japan is shut down with naval dominance, then hitting US is a reasonable next goal.

The importance of hitting US is not that everything should dedicate to hitting US. It is important to have credible threat to US main land that disrupt American strategy closer by. US would need to be in constant air patrol, deploy SAM networks, relocate sensitive industry, and those effort would divert resources from regions closer to China.
Good observation that China is actually super secure militarily at the moment ever since relations with Russia got better.

Regarding Japan, China doesn't need naval dominance to shut down Japan. Their long range flanker, J-20 and H-6 can dominate Japan through Land based Air power alone. China also has the rocket force for massive strike on Japan using the mainland. In fact, I would argue China's Land based Air and Missile power can now dominate the entire First island Chain.

Naval power for China is more about Power projection beyond the first island Chain. H-20 is also about power projection across the globe.
 
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