H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

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jnd85 said:
Too many cooks in the kitchen, and the ingredients keep changing. Even harder to make lunch when noboday can agree what they want to eat.
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The reality is that the requirements for any Chinese stealth bomber to be remotely as effective as an American B21 actually requires the Chinese bomber to be significantly more capable than a B21. The reason is that the US has an insane abundance of global basing, regional support assets, and convenient routes that support in-flight refueling on the way to China while China does not (on the route to America). The Chinese bomber would need to have greater endurance and greater concealment capabilities than a B21, just to begin approaching the real world impact of a B21. It's an extremely tilted playing field and the H-20 design needs to account for this whereas the B21 does not.
 
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Rather than "hard to build", my guess is that the design itself has been repeatedly changed over the years to account for the radically transformed environment of drones, EW, concealment/evasion against enemy's real-time satellite constellation targeting of ones bomber, etc. China's own advances in radar detection of stealth fighters and stealth bombers would likely have been factored into the H-20s design. Lastly, it needs to not only deliver the payload but do so without any other direct support after takeoff. In contrast, US bases everywhere ensures US bombers can receive both direct and indirect support on their way to the target.
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The GJ-X and the J-36 certainly overlapped some of the tasks with their size and range. H-20 need to go way beyond these to be relevant in the form of a very long ranged strategic bomber that we are all waiting for.

Clearly dont know what a long range subsonic stealth bomber could do in 10 years beside bombing third world countries or lobbing very long range standoff missiles and turning tail to flee.

The starshield and starlink constellations combination clearly raise the difficulties for a large and slow moving bomber.

Still China have the money to do a contemporary stealthy strategic bomber and still working to go arround these new treats in a future system.
 
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Atomicfrog said:
The GJ-X and the J-36 certainly overlapped some of the tasks with their size and range. H-20 need to go way beyond these to be relevant in the form of a very long ranged strategic bomber that we are all waiting for.

Clearly dont know what a long range subsonic stealth bomber could do in 10 years beside bombing third world countries or lobbing very long range standoff missiles and turning tail to flee.

The starshield and starlink constellations combination clearly raise the difficulties for a large and slow moving bomber.

Still China have the money to do a contemporary stealthy strategic bomber and still working to go arround these new treats in a future system.
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Yup. Honestly not exactly sure how a stealth bomber design could account for starshield/starlink plus the new range of anti-stealth radar detection designs/methods. Not to mention the endurance issue. Is it only going to be designed for a one way trip? That seems completely impossible and stupid from a design perspective. Would it even be physically possible for a stealth bomber design to make a round trip from China to the US without refueling? Wouldn't be surprised if someone told me definitely no, not physically possible. The only way I could see it being possible is if this was an orbital bomber. Then I could see it making a round trip without refueling.
 
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Yup. Honestly not exactly sure how a stealth bomber design could account for starshield/starlink plus the new range of anti-stealth radar detection designs/methods. Not to mention the endurance issue. Is it only going to be designed for a one way trip? That seems completely impossible and stupid from a design perspective. Would it even be physically possible for a stealth bomber design to make a round trip from China to the US without refueling? Wouldn't be surprised if someone told me definitely no, not physically possible. The only way I could see it being possible is if this was an orbital bomber. Then I could see it making a round trip without refueling.
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Denying a large part of the pacific is the task I see it doing.

Going to conus to bomb with a strategic bomber is just a nonsense pipe dream anyway...

If its time to bomb conus it should be ICBM time and nobody sane want to see that happening.

Orbital systems are clearly the next step, space weaponisation is at the horizon and coming fast.
 
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Denying a large part of the pacific is the task I see it doing.

Going to conus to bomb with a strategic bomber is just a nonsense pipe dream anyway...

If its time to bomb conus it should be ICBM time and nobody sane want to see that happening.

Orbital systems are clearly the next step, space weaponisation is at the horizon and coming fast.
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So in other words, an H-20 would be more for bombing naval formations, aircraft carriers, military supply ships (or civilian ships being used for military supply), etc.?
 
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So in other words, an H-20 would be more for bombing naval formations, aircraft carriers, military supply ships (or civilian ships being used for military supply), etc.?
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Also forward operating bases, Guam, Hawai, Japan, etc. A lot to cover beside CONUS... and all of these assets deny access to CONUS, cannot leapfrog all that anyway or they will get you pants down. Direct treat from the US are way closer than CONUS...

Even a high altitude airborne laser system to deny satellites would be an interesting H-20.

Beside the US I cannot see any opponents good enough to need the H-20 beside prestige and advancements..
 
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Perhaps we should keep in mind that bombing CONUS does not mean that H-20 has to fly serenely over DC or wherever and drop MOABs, the stunt the americans did over Iran was merely that, a stunt arranged with a meek opponent, against an opponent actually fighting back those B-2s would have been blown to smithereens. Rather the H-20 would conceivably attack CONUS targets with ALBMs from thousands of kilometers away, so as far as threatening CONUS this imo definitely would/should be one of H-20's requirements.
 
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phrozenflame said:
Are we all ignoring the J-36 frontal shot? Or its a screen cap from some fan cgi?
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It's probably just fan CGI, the credibility of these "News" sources are questionable on military matter. These experts even claimed 076 can support J-35s which is basically a complete joke. Ironically people were complaining on how these talk shows are becoming more like those clickbaity channels when it comes to military matter.
 
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