H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Very obviously a PS photo. You can tell based on how blurry the nose is compared the rest of the plane. Also, the transition between the LERX and the body appears angular and unnatural.

What we need is collaborate evidence to either back it up or toss it away.

Backing it up being another photo showing the same thing. Tossing away being a photo that can be proven as the original and lacks doctoring.

Well, I do not have time to do an exhaustive search...but I see no reason why someone could not find a picture of an SU-34 at the right angle, and then PS it.

Or perhaps combine a picture of a J-15 or J-16 with an SU-34 pic.

If found, a picture at the right angle of an SU-34 could work. Something like this, but at the right angle:

RUSS-SU34.jpg

You find a pic of an SU-34 at that same angle...and you probably find the basis for the picture we are seeing.
 

JayBird

Junior Member
According to Yankee( he is CJDBY's Air Force forum moderator and also reporter and military talk show anchor) he think the rumored Chinese version of SU-34 doesn't fit Chinese needs and don't make much sense to build when it's not that much better than J-16 in terms of capability.

But since the H-6K's ability to penetrate potential modern adversaries air defense is insufficient, even though DF-26 ballistic missiles and submarine launched cruise missiles will be helpful in war scenario, but not as flexible as intermediate to long range stealth bombers.

And cruise missiles exposure time also too long for modern air defense to defend because it's too slow. Therefore developing a intermediate to long-range stealth bomber that's able to penetrate air defense like the LRS-B is the sensible option for China.

However, the requirements of LRS-B and China's needs are not entirely consistent also. For example, the U.S Air Force needs LRS-B to have enough loitering time in the theater to prepare for the attack of any potential targets, but China may be more inclined to focus on speed and stealth characteristics and more on improving fusion and penetration effectiveness, therefore the new intermediate Chinese stealth bomber may not be as multi-functional as LRS-B.

But whether it's the intermediate stealth bomber aim for the second island chain or the real future strategic long range bomber, Chinese military fans still needs to be more patience, as there is still a big gap for China comparing to U.S and Russia in the area of development and manufacturing of large planes.

I'm also looking forward to the birth of a Chinese strategic bombers, as the old H-6 air frame improvements still can not meet the strategic needs of China, particularly high payload, long range, aerial refueling, electronic warfare, high-speed, and stealth. A modern strategic bomber is a very important tool as deterrent against China's potential adversaries, and bring opponents to the negotiating table and subdue the adversaries without combat.


And he also posted a picture claiming H-6K combat radius is at least 4,600KM plus and not 3,500 km like it was claimed on wikipedia. During June last year's exercise H-6Ks were successfully completed it's mission attacking targets 4600 km away in the NorthSouth area of China.

The point of translating Yankee's post is just adding more evidences or chatters that something might be up with the JH-XX...... :D

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SinoSoldier

Colonel
According to Yankee( he is CJDBY's Air Force forum moderator and also reporter and military talk show anchor) he think the rumored Chinese version of SU-34 doesn't fit Chinese needs and don't make much sense to build when it's not that much better than J-16 in terms of capability.

But since the H-6K's ability to penetrate potential modern adversaries air defense is insufficient, even though DF-26 ballistic missiles and submarine launched cruise missiles will be helpful in war scenario, but not as flexible as intermediate to long range stealth bombers.

And cruise missiles exposure time also too long for modern air defense to defend because it's too slow. Therefore developing a intermediate to long-range stealth bomber that's able to penetrate air defense like the LRS-B is the sensible option for China.

However, the requirements of LRS-B and China's needs are not entirely consistent also. For example, the U.S Air Force needs LRS-B to have enough loitering time in the theater to prepare for the attack of any potential targets, but China may be more inclined to focus on speed and stealth characteristics and more on improving fusion and penetration effectiveness, therefore the new intermediate Chinese stealth bomber may not be as multi-functional as LRS-B.

But whether it's the intermediate stealth bomber aim for the second island chain or the real future strategic long range bomber, Chinese military fans still needs to be more patience, as there is still a big gap for China comparing to U.S and Russia in the area of development and manufacturing of large planes.

I'm also looking forward to the birth of a Chinese strategic bombers, as the old H-6 air frame improvements still can not meet the strategic needs of China, particularly high payload, long range, aerial refueling, electronic warfare, high-speed, and stealth. A modern strategic bomber is a very important tool as deterrent against China's potential adversaries, and bring opponents to the negotiating table and subdue the adversaries without combat.


And he also posted a picture claiming H-6K combat radius is at least 4,600KM plus and not 3,500 km like it was claimed on wikipedia. During June last year's exercise H-6Ks were successfully completed it's mission attacking targets 4600 km away in the NorthSouth area of China.

The point of translating Yankee's post is just adding more evidences or chatters that something might be up with the JH-XX...... :D

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Yeah, but how loud are the rumors that a new plane actually flew at 601?
 

newguy02

Junior Member
Registered Member
According to Yankee( he is CJDBY's Air Force forum moderator and also reporter and military talk show anchor) he think the rumored Chinese version of SU-34 doesn't fit Chinese needs and don't make much sense to build when it's not that much better than J-16 in terms of capability.

But since the H-6K's ability to penetrate potential modern adversaries air defense is insufficient, even though DF-26 ballistic missiles and submarine launched cruise missiles will be helpful in war scenario, but not as flexible as intermediate to long range stealth bombers.

And cruise missiles exposure time also too long for modern air defense to defend because it's too slow. Therefore developing a intermediate to long-range stealth bomber that's able to penetrate air defense like the LRS-B is the sensible option for China.

However, the requirements of LRS-B and China's needs are not entirely consistent also. For example, the U.S Air Force needs LRS-B to have enough loitering time in the theater to prepare for the attack of any potential targets, but China may be more inclined to focus on speed and stealth characteristics and more on improving fusion and penetration effectiveness, therefore the new intermediate Chinese stealth bomber may not be as multi-functional as LRS-B.

But whether it's the intermediate stealth bomber aim for the second island chain or the real future strategic long range bomber, Chinese military fans still needs to be more patience, as there is still a big gap for China comparing to U.S and Russia in the area of development and manufacturing of large planes.

I'm also looking forward to the birth of a Chinese strategic bombers, as the old H-6 air frame improvements still can not meet the strategic needs of China, particularly high payload, long range, aerial refueling, electronic warfare, high-speed, and stealth. A modern strategic bomber is a very important tool as deterrent against China's potential adversaries, and bring opponents to the negotiating table and subdue the adversaries without combat.


And he also posted a picture claiming H-6K combat radius is at least 4,600KM plus and not 3,500 km like it was claimed on wikipedia. During June last year's exercise H-6Ks were successfully completed it's mission attacking targets 4600 km away in the NorthSouth area of China.

The point of translating Yankee's post is just adding more evidences or chatters that something might be up with the JH-XX...... :D

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His description, "but China may be more inclined to focus on speed and stealth characteristics and more on improving fusion and penetration effectiveness" definitely sounds similar to H-18's alleged description, since he mentioned speed, the H-18 is allegedly suppose to be a supersonic bomber/striker which definitely sounds about the same.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
According to Yankee( he is CJDBY's Air Force forum moderator and also reporter and military talk show anchor) he think the rumored Chinese version of SU-34 doesn't fit Chinese needs and don't make much sense to build when it's not that much better than J-16 in terms of capability.
Well, hehehe, it sounds like Yankee and I agree then.

Jeff Head said:
I just find it hard to believe that the Chinese are developing their own SU-34 type aircraft.

I do not see them needing it.

They are already developing an upgrade to the JH-7A as I understand it, and they are most definitely developing the J-16 strike aircraft.

I believe the initial picture shown is a PS, and not real at all...and it is what has led to the huge volume of posts (here and elsewhere) about it.

As posted earlier on this thread, and on other threads where the topic has been discussed.
 

JayBird

Junior Member
Yeah, but how loud are the rumors that a new plane actually flew at 601?

I think it's relatively credible from the chatters and rumors on the internet that some type of aircraft indeed took first flight at 601 Shenyang Aircraft Design Institute recently, but like I said before we just don't know what type of aircraft it was right now.

I think the people in the know are dying to share some of the information but can't due to fear of the tea appointment. But it's like knowing a secret that you are very proud of and really wanted to share your happiness and knowledge with your friends but there are consequences if you do. So.... you make up some other news that's related to the secret you know but not exactly the correct information and release it half jokingly. Like the famous "I dream of something last night" or "I find a hardrive/phone on the street the other day with pictures." etc as disclaimer. :p

It's kind of (擦邊球) skirting the the rules without breaking them if you know what I mean. ;) At least that's my interpretation of the recent Chinese version of Su-34 rumors and all the CG JH-XX pics lately. Of course this also could just be my own wishful thinking.....
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
I think you guys are right..... All these chatter on forums, boards etc did not just appear out of thin air. I think there is a new aircraft ready to be unveiled to the world soon be it weeks or even months.

Whether it's j18 or something else entirely remains to be seen but my gut feeling is there is a new kid in town.
 
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weig2000

Captain
And he also posted a picture claiming H-6K combat radius is at least 4,600KM plus and not 3,500 km like it was claimed on wikipedia. During June last year's exercise H-6Ks were successfully completed it's mission attacking targets 4600 km away in the NorthSouth area of China.
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The 4,600KM appears to be the distance or range that H-6Ks had flown last year to northwest China, not combat radius. The plane could have landed on an airport around the destination.
 

JayBird

Junior Member
The 4,600KM appears to be the distance or range that H-6Ks had flown last year to northwest China, not combat radius. The plane could have landed on an airport around the destination.

I don't think Yankee would make that kind of mistake when he clearly stated H-6K's combat radius is at least 4,600 km in his article. And if you can read the Chinese in the picture I posted eariler it also stated H-6K successfully attacked targets 4,600 km away during one it's longe range strike exercise mission last June.

It would be hilarious to flown the H-6K 4,600 km and landed on an airport near their targets, and then takeoff again and attack the targets near the airbase and considered that long range strike mission. What's the point of this long range attack exercise then if the H-6K have to landed near their targets first, if that's the case can H-6K do that in a real war scenario and landed on enemy aribase first to take a break and refuel before attacking their targets?

I honestly don't think Yankee is that bad that he can't tell the difference between the distance H-6K flown and it's combat radius. The guy is a well respected man and a professional.:)
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
I don't think Yankee would make that kind of mistake when he clearly stated H-6K's combat radius is at least 4,600 km in his article. And if you can read the Chinese in the picture I posted eariler it also stated H-6K successfully attacked targets 4,600 km away during one it's longe range strike exercise mission last June.

It would be hilarious to flown the H-6K 4,600 km and landed on an airport near their targets, and then takeoff again and attack the targets near the airbase and considered that long range strike mission. What's the point of this long range attack exercise then if the H-6K have to landed near their targets first, if that's the case can H-6K do that in a real war scenario and landed on enemy aribase first to take a break and refuel before attacking their targets?

I honestly don't think Yankee is that bad that he can't tell the difference between the distance H-6K flown and it's combat radius. The guy is a well respected man and a professional.:)

Perhaps Yankee factored in the range of the cruise missiles. BTW, did he mention anything regarding a flight of new aircraft at SAC?
 
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