H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

dingyibvs

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A supersonic bomber like the B-1 or TU-160, even though its fast, still isn't going to outmaneuver any missile at all, so I don't believe the PLAAF will decide to degrade stealth by adding a beak or folding stabilizers simply to design an airframe which is capable of between mach 1 and mach 2. It is much better to simply maximize stealth, a flying wing shape with one continuous leading edge, similar to B-21 or B-2.

There is no point in sacrificing stealth just to make it a little faster, missile will catch up to it regardless.
I think you're overestimating the kinematics of missiles. When they're fired at targets that are flying much faster and higher than the platform they're launched from, their speed and range won't come anywhere near their top advertised parameters. They would need to get close to have a chance, and a VLO platform unlike the B-1 or Tu-160 would have a good chance of avoiding that.

You're not trying to outmaneuver any missiles here. You're trying to launch your payload and then outrun them.
 

Jason_

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Guys, hate to break it to you, but the Pentagon recently pushed back their predicted debut of the H-20 to the 2030s.

I am fully aware of the Pentagon's lackluster accuracy when it comes to prophesizing Chinese military aviation, but these changes in predictions aren't made without merit.

Perhaps the H-20 is on the back burner?

When will China have a sixth-gen fighter jet? Brendan Mulvaney, director of CASI, predicted it will take China “until the late 2030s, if not the early 2040s,” to reveal a meaningful design. “We’re getting better at not [underestimating] what the Chinese system is capable of,” he added.

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GTI

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This might be controversial… but let’s ask ourselves what the key or most desired requirement of H-20/XX is.

For me, it’s obviously long range strike, both strategic and tactical, conventional and nuclear - specifically against CONUS and Hawaii.

Essentially you want something that can drop long-range LACM and hypersonics off the coasts of Alaska, California, towards Texas. This is to ensure that the US’ geography no longer protects them. Ship yards, bases, aircraft plants, infrastructure can all be conventionally attacked if the US attempts to touch mainland China. J-36s, H-6s, 09-IIIB/ 09-V LACMs, 055 YJ-21s and PLARF should have the rest covered.

So why not send a near-space hypersonic drone, that can eject a payload in the relevant areas. That payload then dispenses the cruise missiles. The drone RTBs, and only the munitions and munitions housing (the payload) is lost.

I started thinking about it when we saw that munition dispensing HGV at Zhuhai 2024. It kind of answers someone’s questions to Blitzo (in one of the SH/CHENGAD threads), on how to quickly deliver loitering munitions / kamikaze drones to an area.

To be more direct, why not take Tengyun (if it is reliably reusable) and replace its ventral payload with a payload that can dispense LACMs. You only need 2 modes - (1) pre-determined autonomous attack with a human-commanded recall option (if needed and comms are not jammed); and (2) Human-commanded weapons release with autonomous RTB (if the command is never received or jammed)
 

iewgnem

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When will China have a sixth-gen fighter jet? Brendan Mulvaney, director of CASI, predicted it will take China “until the late 2030s, if not the early 2040s,” to reveal a meaningful design. “We’re getting better at not [underestimating] what the Chinese system is capable of,” he added.

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For context CASI stand for USAF's "China Aerospace Studies Institute"
Being wrong by 20 years must be a record, when Gates said J-20 won't fly until 2020 he was only wrong by 10 years.
One has to wonder how someone gets a job at these organizations and how much of it is just a massive corruption operation.
 

dingyibvs

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For context CASI stand for USAF's "China Aerospace Studies Institute"
Being wrong by 20 years must be a record, when Gates said J-20 won't fly until 2020 he was only wrong by 10 years.
One has to wonder how someone gets a job at these organizations and how much of it is just a massive corruption operation.

What's truly hilarious is that he prefaced that by saying they're getting better at not underestimating China lol
 

Robin161518

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Guys. I just found a interesting video on Bilibili.
这是什么飞机,又扁又宽的!1735728221675.png
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The plane looks like a big triangle, it’s significantly larger than GJ11. I can’t tell whether it is CAC NGAD.
Someone claimed this video has been on the internet since November.
Any idea what it might be?IMG_3538.jpeg
 
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Neurosmith

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