H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

Deino

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This is what Fu Qianshao said:

"Fu said he believed that images of the bomber published in some domestic weapons magazines were purely artistic renderings created by aviation enthusiasts, and did not represent the actual design."

Which is the same thing that many of us have been saying as well.

Therefore, trying to measure or derive anything concrete from the renderings and drawings in those weapons magazines is a fruitless effort and a waste of time because they almost certainly do not represent the true design, dimensions or detailed configuration of the real thing.


Indeed, but again, what image is he using for reference and why does he think it should be from Norinco, which by the way is not building the bomber?

Are these those artworks?

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Blitzo

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Indeed, but again, what image is he using for reference and why does he think it should be from Norinco, which by the way is not building the bomber?

Are these those artworks?

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Probably those images, but it doesn't really matter, because no matter which image he was using, all of the artistic renderings and drawings should not be used to try to extrapolate dimensions, details or true design features from the real thing.

None of them represent the final real design, so who cares which one he's using, IMO.
 

Philister

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Care to explain what are you measuring and even more why you think from a fan-made artwork any reasonable conclusions in comparison to the B-2 can be drawn.

Just like Fu Qianshao noted in the latest news: He believes “that images of the bomber published in some domestic weapons magazines were purely artistic renderings created by aviation enthusiasts and did not represent the actual design” and in fact this is something that needs to be made more obvious in Western media, which too often picks up such speculative drawings as an represent the actual design.




Pardon, but I see with no word the designation WS-30 noted?
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Care to explain what are you measuring and even more why you think from a fan-made artwork any reasonable conclusions in comparison to the B-2 can be drawn.

Just like Fu Qianshao noted in the latest news: He believes “that images of the bomber published in some domestic weapons magazines were purely artistic renderings created by aviation enthusiasts and did not represent the actual design” and in fact this is something that needs to be made more obvious in Western media, which too often picks up such speculative drawings as an represent the actual design.




Pardon, but I see with no word the designation WS-30 noted?
About 5years ago, middle-bypass turbofan FWS-30, there was a pic on 超大 and 航空航天港,too bad they are shut down
 

Xizor

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The claim that there's a higher bypass on the H-20 WS-10 derivatives is reasonable. Since Chinese engine technology is generally backwards, it's harder for China to obtain a long-range bomber through simply powering through like the Americans. Instead, high bypass engines can be used to generate higher fuel efficiency by having a larger fan relative to the combustion chamber, thus pushing through more air flow mass.

Interestingly enough, the F118 and F110 seem to share the same diameter, when you'd assume if the F118 were adapted for bomber use, the bypass ratio would be increased. The main drawback of a higher bypass engine, however, in a stealth bomber implementation would be difficulties with engine shrouding to reduce IR emissions, since a higher bypass engine would be larger with the same core.
What you've explained is how High BPR may help an aircraft in general. I don't think there is enough material or clues to assert China's H-20 having high BPR engines.

I'd like to see it have them but then is that a wishlist or a probable thing? Things would be rosy enough if a base WS-10 without AB is put. A dedicated new engine : FWS-30? Very impressive.
 

Atomicfrog

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I'm new to this but the B2 has maintenance issues?
Issues... beside needing over 100 hours of maintenance per hours of flights...technician have to reverse engeneering parts to make spare because they don't exist anymore. If youre plane is on the high tech end of knowledge, it's way harder to maintain them because all the things are not sorted off. Better to have something with well rounded technology, maybe a bit inferior in some area but serviceable on the long term. Stealth coating have evolved a lot, the F-22 have cracking and rusting issues of his ram coating while the f-35 have most ram in his structure diminishing these long maintenance issues.
 

Inst

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Probably those images, but it doesn't really matter, because no matter which image he was using, all of the artistic renderings and drawings should not be used to try to extrapolate dimensions, details or true design features from the real thing.

None of them represent the final real design, so who cares which one he's using, IMO.
Or in other words, nothing about the B-21 is official either, is it?

The extrapolation being made is with regards to the weapons capacity; i.e, can it launch two DF-21s? If it can launch two DF-21s, can it drop 30 tons of alternate payload onto a target?

The speculation I'm involved in is the H-20 as a Quad-killer.

I mean, since we have the DF-21 launch capability most likely baked in, what'd be more interesting wouldn't be DF-21 launches, but DF-26 launches. That'd be a more capable and faster missile and better suited to ALBM roles, since ALBMs are low sortie-rate compared to land-based ballistic missiles due to the cost of the launching platform. It'd require 14 meters or more of weapons bay length to fit in, but the example pictures we've seen suggest the H-20 is longer than the B-2, so it might as well make use of the additional length.
 

Inst

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The Norinco magazine scans. The reason I'm interested in the dimensions is because I seem to be the only one interested in the payload yield, as opposed to range and so on, and I'm looking for evidence to support my hypothesis that this is a high payload bomber, and if the rumors of 50 units are true, China can now potentially use the military option as a threat to diplomatically resolve the matter of containment.
 

Blitzo

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Or in other words, nothing about the B-21 is official either, is it?

The extrapolation being made is with regards to the weapons capacity; i.e, can it launch two DF-21s? If it can launch two DF-21s, can it drop 30 tons of alternate payload onto a target?

The speculation I'm involved in is the H-20 as a Quad-killer.

I mean, since we have the DF-21 launch capability most likely baked in, what'd be more interesting wouldn't be DF-21 launches, but DF-26 launches. That'd be a more capable and faster missile and better suited to ALBM roles, since ALBMs are low sortie-rate compared to land-based ballistic missiles due to the cost of the launching platform. It'd require 14 meters or more of weapons bay length to fit in, but the example pictures we've seen suggest the H-20 is longer than the B-2, so it might as well make use of the additional length.

We are talking about your detailed extrapolation about the design and configuration and dimensions of H-20 based on unofficial magazine art, which is not reasonable to do.

I don't know how much speculation is being made about B-21, but if there was similar detailed extents of speculation about B-21 based on unofficial art or unofficial statements then I would also view those in a poor light.
 
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