Growing Asymmetries in the China-Japan Naval Balance
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A TVM missile like the PAC or S-300 has advantages over a SARH missile like SM-2 in one place, that is, the TVM missile is capable of intercepting a target under the radar horizon, as the missile can be independent from using ship board illuminators. Although it is more likely that HHQ-9 might be active guided instead since it was reported that in 2003, it has been reported that China has completed tests and probably has deployed, an active guided version of the HQ-9 (HQ-9A).
One thing for sure is that the 052C has no dedicated ship board illuminators.
One thing for sure is that the 052C has no dedicated ship board illuminators.
China is getting a little of every new tech because they know that 5 years down the line there will be new ones avaliable. Getting 10 052cs would only mean that they will have extra junk on hand when better equipment comes along. Only when a leap in technology happens will the chinese buy in bulk because then it usually mean that the new tech would stay effective for a longer time.
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Su-34 said:
you can think of them as one class, except with newer models getting improved weapons and sensors. the 52c is not the perfect ideal soulution ofr the plan. and with technology progressing so fast, i doubt there will be. the 52c only brings china up to a current level of naval tec hnology. she needs to prepare for the future.
Asymmetry? i agreed; this is the only way for china to maintain balance of power against countries with a highly developed military is to hope for a weakness to exploit.
i believe the current development does not provide china with an offensive advantage, the complete lack of fleet level minesweeping capability would make any offensive move into contested water dangerous for it fleet. not to say the still limited (but improved) anti-air and anti-sub capability.
it is not to china's advantage to display this newly found naval power to the rest of the world. it creates a false impression that china has build a force able to meet another military power in open seas; this is not true, china has only just begun to have limited ability to 'hold the line' within the 1st island chain. (something that is important to china as it seek the means to delay foreign forces from arriving to taiwan's aid in time if an unfortunate confrontation does occur.) but showing strength is not good: one should not show his strength to his rivals, as it would increase their preparation to meet you. pride is the worst thing modern china could have before it matures!
sub are the only thing china has that i think that can operate beyond china's seas with some effect. this is the realistic picture i have in my head today. while not as advanced as the rivals', their presence can make the opposing fleet to slowdown and move more defensively.
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in my untrained opinion for the future development of china's fleet;
china has build it's modern destroyers in relativity smaller quantities, has prompted my concerns if it was due to diffculty in acquiring advance subsystem for the ship. the construct of ship with similiar roles the 51C which is less impressive than the 52C that has already been completed suggest that china may not have the options to choose it's ship.
for this i think china's production in major combatant ship will not rise sharply in the next few years as neocon suggested, and that the building of many classes may not be of "experimenting" purposes, but rather limitation in the 'supply chain' of advanced components. and what we see today, is all we are gonna get for a while.
i am begining to rethink the importance of lifting the european arm embargo. it seem to be more important than just to provide china with an alternative market which could drive down russian prices; but that russia simply could not equip china with all the parts they need to build an all-round ship. and without european system, china will continue to be limited to asymmetry capability!
i believe the current development does not provide china with an offensive advantage, the complete lack of fleet level minesweeping capability would make any offensive move into contested water dangerous for it fleet. not to say the still limited (but improved) anti-air and anti-sub capability.
it is not to china's advantage to display this newly found naval power to the rest of the world. it creates a false impression that china has build a force able to meet another military power in open seas; this is not true, china has only just begun to have limited ability to 'hold the line' within the 1st island chain. (something that is important to china as it seek the means to delay foreign forces from arriving to taiwan's aid in time if an unfortunate confrontation does occur.) but showing strength is not good: one should not show his strength to his rivals, as it would increase their preparation to meet you. pride is the worst thing modern china could have before it matures!
sub are the only thing china has that i think that can operate beyond china's seas with some effect. this is the realistic picture i have in my head today. while not as advanced as the rivals', their presence can make the opposing fleet to slowdown and move more defensively.
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in my untrained opinion for the future development of china's fleet;
china has build it's modern destroyers in relativity smaller quantities, has prompted my concerns if it was due to diffculty in acquiring advance subsystem for the ship. the construct of ship with similiar roles the 51C which is less impressive than the 52C that has already been completed suggest that china may not have the options to choose it's ship.
for this i think china's production in major combatant ship will not rise sharply in the next few years as neocon suggested, and that the building of many classes may not be of "experimenting" purposes, but rather limitation in the 'supply chain' of advanced components. and what we see today, is all we are gonna get for a while.
i am begining to rethink the importance of lifting the european arm embargo. it seem to be more important than just to provide china with an alternative market which could drive down russian prices; but that russia simply could not equip china with all the parts they need to build an all-round ship. and without european system, china will continue to be limited to asymmetry capability!
akinkhoo said:it is not to china's advantage to display this newly found naval power to the rest of the world. it creates a false impression that china has build a force able to meet another military power in open seas; this is not true, china has only just begun to have limited ability to 'hold the line' within the 1st island chain. (something that is important to china as it seek the means to delay foreign forces from arriving to taiwan's aid in time if an unfortunate confrontation does occur.) but showing strength is not good: one should not show his strength to his rivals, as it would increase their preparation to meet you. pride is the worst thing modern china could have before it matures!
I agree, China has been lying quite low politically towards the USA for the last couple of years precisely for the reason that u have stated. China still actually still wants to appear weak (and they definitely r in certain areas) for a little while longer in order to reduce the noise of the "China Threat".