Great Fictional World War III book (China & allies VS US & allies)

Raptoreyes

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Re: Great China VS U.S war book

Thanks for those kind words. I hope you enjoy the series. Lots and lots of naval action in the books about the very vessels we discuss so often here on SDF...as well as the aircraft and missiles.

I will offer a free download of the new version of Dragon's Fury to anyone on SDF who wants it. Here's a link to that free download:

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Just right-click on the picture and then "Save Target As" to wherever you want on your hard drive. Remember, it's a PDF file and so you will need Adobe Reader to read it.

Enjoy...and also please remember...it's just fiction and meant to be an enjoyable and exciting read, not a source for contention or arguement.

Thank you Jeff. I'll definitely take a look.:coffee:

Might I ask what lured you into the glorious but risky business of writing techno-thrillers? Acquiring many months or years of research ( much of the research being the kind that some people wouldn't want you to stick your nose into since the word classified is often used to describe some of the information you receive)has its uncomfortable moments. After The Hunt for Red October was published, Clancy did have to fight off quite a few charges that he was gaining access to information he wasn't precisely privy to.(some of the people he had to explain himself to, had the power to arrest him, or so the legend goes. In other words Jeff have you had to deal with similar acrimony in relation to one of your novels?
 
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ray of truth

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I don't think that there will be a war between China and U.S. in the near future. However, China needs a military victory somewhere because in the international community a country doesn't have real respect until they have shown some military success. Thats just the way the world works. No doubt that China has respect now but its not a well rounded respect that a military victory would give. So what China needs is a regional war somewhere with a quick victory that is impressive to the world community. Then nations would sit up and listen when China talks. At the same time a big war with the U.S. would be too disruptive to their fast growing economy which is dependent on exports to U.S. I wait until the olympics are over for there to be anything happening because China wants to impress the world at the Olympics and doesn't want any disruptions until after that event is over.
 

crobato

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The reality is that China has greatly benefited from the world order and the institutions the US has put into place after WWII, the UN, the WTO, the World Bank, the IMF, the peace and order, the capitalistic systems, the legal systems, the global multinationalism of trade, industry and finance. As such this moves China to preserve and defend this order rather than to fight against it.

The irony is that there are factions in countries who feel that the current global order is not working for them but against them. They feel spite to those who are rising powers within this global order.
 

Jeff Head

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Thank you Jeff. I'll definitely take a look.:coffee:

Might I ask what lured you into the glorious but risky business of writing techno-thrillers? Acquiring many months or years of research ( much of the research being the kind that some people wouldn't want you to stick your nose into since the word classified is often used to describe some of the information you receive)has its uncomfortable moments. After The Hunt for Red October was published, Clancy did have to fight off quite a few charges that he was gaining access to information he wasn't precisely privy to.(some of the people he had to explain himself to, had the power to arrest him, or so the legend goes. In other words Jeff have you had to deal with similar acrimony in relation to one of your novels?
It was really just an itch I needed to scratch. It is all self-published.

It did take a lot of time and a lot of research. For several years, my "extra" time was devoted to it. I published the series first as five seperate novels, one after another, over about a 3 1/2 year period. Later, I did an update and combined them all into one large hardback.

Certainly there are those who have objected to and took issue with both my research and some of the conclusions or directions I took with it. I do not have any real problem with that...the book is, first and foremost, a work of fiction meant to create an exciting and entertaining story. I am fairly conservstive and the book comes across fairly conservative, but I do not think having a fairly conservative government in power during war-time in the United States is an out of the ordinary thing. But, sometimes folks take it a little more seriously and become emotional when responding to me about it.

Now, I will admit to trying to write good morals and principles into the story line (embedded into it as it were in an attempt to offset some of what I believe are marginal or downright bad morals and principles that are emedded into other novels) but that's just me.

Anyhow, hope you enjoy it as such.
 

Skywatcher

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Re: Great China VS U.S war book

Personally, I am of the opinion that in today's geopolitical climate, the Russians are probably going to join the non American camp in a global war, since the current administration has insisted on aggravating the Russians to no end for the past four years. That's one of the problems with technothrillers, they're at the mercy of whatever whimsy the statesmen have at the moment.

Great book nevertheless. Especially am fond of the many weapons ideas put into practice.
 

Jeff Head

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That's one of the problems with technothrillers, they're at the mercy of whatever whimsy the statesmen have at the moment.

Great book nevertheless. Especially am fond of the many weapons ideas put into practice.
Thanks for the comments and taking the time to read the novel. It's self-published and so word of mouth is my good friend. Tell your friends...and, like any user here at SD forum, they can use this link:

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I am of the opinion that in today's geopolitical climate, the Russians are probably going to join the non American camp in a global war.
And these novels start out that way, with the Russians sding with the Chinese and prooviding them a lot of economic and military hardware assistance (just as they do today).

It is only when China (in the novels) reached for Siberia (not an out of the question scenario) that all of that changed in the novels. Of course the precedent for such actions is historical, going back to the German-Russian alliance that fell apart in 1941 when the Germnas reached for "lebens raum".

Anyhow, either way...glad you enjoyed the novel. Thanks again!
 

Troika

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And these novels start out that way, with the Russians sding with the Chinese and prooviding them a lot of economic and military hardware assistance (just as they do today).

It is only when China (in the novels) reached for Siberia (not an out of the question scenario) that all of that changed in the novels. Of course the precedent for such actions is historical, going back to the German-Russian alliance that fell apart in 1941 when the Germnas reached for "lebens raum".

Anyhow, either way...glad you enjoyed the novel. Thanks again!


'Not impossible' and, 'plausible' are two things. This is the one thing that detracted greatly from my enjoyment of the novels - it is simply too geopolitically unlikely. The Chinese were not only behaving like monsters, but stupidly aggressive monsters, when nothing they have done in the past suggests anything like that.

Frankly, comparing PRC to faschist German is also extremely problematic. About the only thing the two share is that both are dictatorships. Everything else, ruling party structure, tradition, history, culture, geopolitical environs and world-historical climate... everything is different.

Can I base the fact that another democracy (19th century Britain, say, which is more similar to America than faschist Germany to PRC) had colonised Africa to conclude that America will likely do the same?
 

Finn McCool

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Yea I had a bit of a problem with that too, and the whole unlikelyness of the scenario. But I just went with it because it is a work of fiction and you have to take it on its own terms. I mean you could criticize X-Men because human genetic mutations would never result the way they do in comic books but that would be missing the point. Similarly it is the semi-fictional China of the Dragon's Fury series that commits the agression, not the actual China.

The other thing that I had a problem with that I cannot dismiss in the same way is the immense, world changing ecological change that would be caused by the use of orbital bombardment and nuclear weapons on the scale that is depicted. That can't be discounted because Dragon's Fury takes place on the actual Earth, not a "semi-fictional" Earth.

But still I really liked this book. I read it almost non-stop for days. Good job Jeff. ;)
 

Troika

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Yea I had a bit of a problem with that too, and the whole unlikelyness of the scenario. But I just went with it because it is a work of fiction and you have to take it on its own terms. I mean you could criticize X-Men because human genetic mutations would never result the way they do in comic books but that would be missing the point. Similarly it is the semi-fictional China of the Dragon's Fury series that commits the agression, not the actual China.

The other thing that I had a problem with that I cannot dismiss in the same way is the immense, world changing ecological change that would be caused by the use of orbital bombardment and nuclear weapons on the scale that is depicted. That can't be discounted because Dragon's Fury takes place on the actual Earth, not a "semi-fictional" Earth.

But still I really liked this book. I read it almost non-stop for days. Good job Jeff. ;)

I actually do do that (criticise X-men because of the stupid science). I threw away Fatherland in disgust becaues the historical scenerio is stupid. It does detract greatly from my enjoyment of fiction. :(

Anyway, this is I think phenomenon of Uncanny Valley. Unlike X-Men, which is way out there, this one sort of looks like our world, a lot. I find that generally if it is very far from reality (say, 'Keeper of the Swords'), then it's easy. If it is very close to reality (say, any good historical novel), then that's good, too. It's the in between that's the hard part. It doesn't help that Jeff kept insisting that it's not impossible. Well, yeah, it's not impossible, but that doesn't make it likely.

That and the fact that Russia is depicted as idiotic. :nono:

Oh well, like I said, I did enjoy it, too.
 
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