Great Fictional World War III book (China & allies VS US & allies)

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Violet Oboe said:

@hongkongpride:
Obviously China does not have a sufficient and credible second strike capability against the US and the PLA is currently working hard to put that right as you have observed correctly. So my intention was to show that China' comprehensive military capabilities (not only nuclear but also other means of effective destruction) are indeed sufficient already today to make even the US think twice about whether the price to pay is worth ´it´. Your thesis about China's potential ´economic deterrence´ is quite interesting and perhaps you could elaborate in a further post?

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Well, with the advent of globalization no country can 'stay an island'. The US and China are linked economically so close that a economic downturn in one of the countries would affect both of them catastrophically. What I mean about economic deterrence is that the PRC currently holds about $13 bn in US Treasury Bonds and racks up about $75 bn/ year trade surplus with the US. So what if the PRC sold its US Treasury bonds in the event of a conflict btwn them? Pentagon analysts privately say it would depreciate the US dollar even more, meaning that foreign investors would get much less returns on their investments in the US, severely eroding investor confidence in the $US and consequently a BIG fall in the $US leading to a recession or possibly depression (1929 repeat). While this a superb form of deterrence, remember in the age of globalization it goes both ways too. US consumers will simply stop buying made in China products and the Chinese economy and social stability will go down the toilet as rest of the world demand is not enough to satisfy the c. $760 bn worth of Imports US consumers spend each year on mostly Chinese goods.

But economic warfare/deterrence is simply not feasible in this age unless you are willing to take a big gamble and these days with global linkages, you have to be very brave or plain stupid to eco. warfare with countries-unlike in 1940, where a Western embargo on oil to Japan led to WWII in the Pacific and the attack on Pearl Harbor.

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Violet Oboe;59071 @Jeff Head: Of course I am aware that the US is working hard to neutralize the nuclear deterrent forces of China AND Russia through several redundant and highly sophisticated ´screens´of ballistic missile defenses. Simultaneously Russia and China are working also frantically to prevent that kind of strategic checkmate from happening. The coming 10 to 15 years will show whether the US is successful in establishing total global strategic dominance but the technical said:

At some point in its history every dominant Empire overreaches, or is overstreched. For the United States, this point may be the next 10 to 15 years if it chooses to do what you describe, establish "total strategic dominance". Even if the US can achieve it it can not hold onto it for long as that level of militarization is simply to costly both in terms of money and cost to your society. Besides, the strategic enviroment is changing so quickly that any total dominance will soon be obsolete.

hongkongpride said:

Well, with the advent of globalization no country can 'stay an island'. The US and China are linked economically so close that a economic downturn in one of the countries would affect both of them catastrophically. What I mean about economic deterrence is that the PRC currently holds about $13 bn in US Treasury Bonds and racks up about $75 bn/ year trade surplus with the US. So what if the PRC sold its US Treasury bonds in the event of a conflict btwn them? Pentagon analysts privately say it would depreciate the US dollar even more, meaning that foreign investors would get much less returns on their investments in the US, severely eroding investor confidence in the $US and consequently a BIG fall in the $US leading to a recession or possibly depression (1929 repeat). While this a superb form of deterrence, remember in the age of globalization it goes both ways too. US consumers will simply stop buying made in China products and the Chinese economy and social stability will go down the toilet as rest of the world demand is not enough to satisfy the c. $760 bn worth of Imports US consumers spend each year on mostly Chinese goods.

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Also a depreciated US dollar will result in a much greater demand for US goods (US goods are still the same quality, just cheaper). This war will also result in absolutely massive government and foreign demand for military products, and unemployment will be eased by military recruitment. So I doubt that the effects would be nearly as bad as you describe, given a "Total War" scenario like in Jeff's book.

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Scratch said:

Just came to think about it. Have you thought of stealthy, nuclear tipped CMs in that context?
When TBMs/ICBMs can be intercepted in the future at a mattering rate, it may again become helpfull to employ nuclear warheads on long range, stelthy CMs. Especially since it will be really difficult making ICBMs stealthy.

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Interesting thread.
As for stealthy BM, that is just not possible. Stealth cruise missile - yes (AGM-129) but certainly not stealthy BM because the velocity of BM is simply too great... on re-entry it is 29,030 km/h, it is so hot it can be easily detectable by any sensor arrays. This is not to mention the rocket itself while accelerating upwards is giving off enormous exhaust heat and smoke at boost phase. There is simply no way to hide these signature. This is the reason why B-2, AGM-129 travel at sub-sonic speed as not to increase its surface temperature to the point that it can be detectable, at the same time it keep the exhaust heat to minimum. (While mixing it with cool air)


Also I think both US (NORAD), Russia, and China have early warning system in space to detect BM launch from other country. There was an article about Chinese large radar array network on the perimenter of coastline and other side that is suppose to detect any incoming missiles thousands of miles away (similar to Australian's JORN)

How difficult would it be to give RVs the ability to take evasive maneuvers in order to avoid interceptors while still staying on a path that enables them to hit their inteded target, and how difficult would the task for interceptors become against those RVs??
Well, that's pretty much orbital physics. In the end it's the old game of steadily improving both sides.

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The maneuverable re-entry vehicles (MaRV) are already been deployed.
I think the Trident and the Topol-M are both MaRV enabled.

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Hi Asymptote, I'm very well aware that with current rocket technology, ICBMs will be detected at short after launch by NORAD and it's counterparts in other nations. I ment some irony here.
So unless one finds a new drive and is able to really cool those things down, it's a dream ...
I wasn't aware of the MaRVs actually. Now it seems to me the MaRV, though it was envisioned for the Trident was only realized for the Pershing in the US. But I'm not sure if that.

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Scratch said:

So unless one finds a new drive and is able to really cool those things down, it's a dream ...

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A stealth BM will only encourage warmongers to use it.
Let's hope we don't find any new inventive ways to annihilate each other

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Asymptote said:

Interesting thread.
As for stealthy BM, that is just not possible. Stealth cruise missile - yes (AGM-129) but certainly not stealthy BM because the velocity of BM is simply too great... on re-entry it is 29,030 km/h, it is so hot it can be easily detectable by any sensor arrays. This is not to mention the rocket itself while accelerating upwards is giving off enormous exhaust heat and smoke at boost phase. There is simply no way to hide these signature. This is the reason why B-2, AGM-129 travel at sub-sonic speed as not to increase its surface temperature to the point that it can be detectable, at the same time it keep the exhaust heat to minimum. (While mixing it with cool air)

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I do not believe Scratch really mean to indicate that a stealth BM was possible when he said it wopuld be very difficult, at least not accoridng to what we consider as "traditional" stealth technology (radar absorbing or reflecting, IR masking, etc.). He really was asking asked about stealth Cruise Missiles IMHO...which, as you say, are coming on. Here was his comment.

Scratch said:

Just came to think about it. Have you thought of stealthy, nuclear tipped CMs in that context?
When TBMs/ICBMs can be intercepted in the future at a mattering rate, it may again become helpfull to employ nuclear warheads on long range, stelthy CMs. Especially since it will be really difficult making ICBMs stealthy.

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Now, you can employ certain methods on the RVs to hide/mask them (which I guess you could coinsider a form of stealth), ie. releasing a number of decoy RVs that mimic the real thing forcing the defender to deal with them all. This is discussed and applied somewhat in the course of events in the Dragon's Fury novel.

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Hello Jeff Head. May I just coment that the Dragon's Fury is an outstanding series. I remember stumbling across it online, my initial concern was to find out if anybody had blueprints for a submarine aircraft carrier and I saw it mentioned in your book. I was just wondering if you could perhaps draw up a general picture of what your submarine naval fleet looked like and e-mail it to me at [email protected]

May I also say that I was very impressed at the scale of your accomplishment. As I was reading it, I could practically feel the intensity of the battles, and picture every last bullet being fired. The stories of heroism and humanity were realistic and believable.

A number of questions I've been meaning to ask you:
- Do you have plans to draw up a sequal involving a an interplanetary war as was hinted at the end of Dragon's Fury?
- Do you have any plans to turn Dragon's Fury into a motion picture?
- Have you considered becoming a mainstream author?
- Was Dragon's Fury motivated by personal knowledge or was it written for entertainment?
- To what extent are you familiar with the weapons systems and technology shown in the novel?

I loved your novel, and I do hope that you write more.

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Killa_Dilla said:

Hello Jeff Head. May I just coment that the Dragon's Fury is an outstanding series. I remember stumbling across it online, my initial concern was to find out if anybody had blueprints for a submarine aircraft carrier and I saw it mentioned in your book. I was just wondering if you could perhaps draw up a general picture of what your submarine naval fleet looked like and e-mail it to me at [email protected]

May I also say that I was very impressed at the scale of your accomplishment. As I was reading it, I could practically feel the intensity of the battles, and picture every last bullet being fired. The stories of heroism and humanity were realistic and believable.

A number of questions I've been meaning to ask you:
- Do you have plans to draw up a sequal involving a an interplanetary war as was hinted at the end of Dragon's Fury?
- Do you have any plans to turn Dragon's Fury into a motion picture?
- Have you considered becoming a mainstream author?
- Was Dragon's Fury motivated by personal knowledge or was it written for entertainment?
- To what extent are you familiar with the weapons systems and technology shown in the novel?

I loved your novel, and I do hope that you write more.

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Thank you for those very kind words. I am glad you enjoyed them and, since I am self-published, hope you will spread the word to your friends and relatives who may be interested in such military techno-thrillers.

As to going main stream...hehehe, believe me, that has not been my decision. If a major publishing house expressed interest I would be more than willing to talk. As it is, as I say, I published them myself.

As to more novels, well, we will just have to see. I have considered a series of novels that take a closer look at individual battles of the larger Dragon's Fury - World War novel.

As to why I wrote the book, that is explained in my own words within the book in the dedication adn "Why Dragon's Fury" sections of the book.

As to knowledge of weapons systems, I have both been an enthusiast of naval weapons and technology and also worked in the industry in the past so I do have some personal knowledge from a design and program management standpoint in a support role.

As to future books...I have also considered writing the futuristic, sci-fi follow-on dated much further in the future.

As to pics, here are a couple from the novel to whet your appetitie.

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Jeff Head said:

Thank you for those very kind words. I am glad you enjoyed them and, since I am self-published, hope you will spread the word to your friends and relatives who may be interested in such military techno-thrillers.

As to going main stream...hehehe, believe me, that has not been my decision. If a major publishing house expressed interest I would be more than willing to talk. As it is, as I say, I published them myself.

As to more novels, well, we will just have to see. I have considered a series of novels that take a closer look at individual battles of the larger Dragon's Fury - World War novel.

As to why I wrote the book, that is explained in my own words within the book in the dedication adn "Why Dragon's Fury" sections of the book.

As to knowledge of weapons systems, I have both been an enthusiast of naval weapons and technology and also worked in the industry in the past so I do have some personal knowledge from a design and program management standpoint in a support role.

As to future books...I have also considered writing the futuristic, sci-fi follow-on dated much further in the future.

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I am surprised that a major publisher hasn't picked your novel up. I had my dad read the novel, and he was as impressed as I am, but he thinks it is a bit too much of a polemic. As far as a motion picture, I think it could be done, or maybe even as a TV miniseries, or maybe even a TV miniseries about individuals' stories during the War. The way I read your novel, it seemed like a history book except the history hadn't been made yet. You could easily spin it in so many directions. As for a sequal, I don't think I've heard of a novel yet that talks about what an interplanetary space war would be like if it were fought with pheasable technology in the imediate future.

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Killa_Dilla said:

I am surprised that a major publisher hasn't picked your novel up. I had my dad read the novel, and he was as impressed as I am, but he thinks it is a bit too much of a polemic. As far as a motion picture, I think it could be done, or maybe even as a TV miniseries, or maybe even a TV miniseries about individuals' stories during the War. The way I read your novel, it seemed like a history book except the history hadn't been made yet. You could easily spin it in so many directions. As for a sequal, I don't think I've heard of a novel yet that talks about what an interplanetary space war would be like if it were fought with pheasable technology in the imediate future.

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Again, thanks for the kind words. Having sold several thousand of the novels on my own now, I know at some point as the numbers grow (and with basically no advertising or promotion budget), that a publisher may get interested.

Here's a pic (rendition) of the SSCVN version of the submersible LPH (amphibious assault vessel) that the US Navy used in the books.