Great Fictional World War III book (China & allies VS US & allies)

Vlad Plasmius

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I was reffering to the matter of tactics and training. You have them using a lot of mass attacks. While understandable with the GIR, isn't as much with China. You have Chinese winning simply by mass attacks. My point is that the current trends in China are working away from such mass attacks and more towards capable training and tactics.
 
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My point is that the current trends in China are working away from such mass attacks and more towards capable training and tactics.

Yes, but the book starts in 2004. How the PLA is currently changing isn't relevant to the book, given that's outside of its timeframe. The book wasn't quite my cup of tea, but I think you're nitpicking on that part.
 

eecsmaster

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But when did the Chinese ever practice "human wave" as it is depicted in the West? Certainly not in Korea. It was perceived that way because of the Allied incompetence (MacArthur should be shot) and a general lack of forward observation.


I must say, because Mr. Head's area of expertise is in the naval field, the ground aspect is rather thin in the book.
 

Jeff Head

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Yes, but the book starts in 2004. How the PLA is currently changing isn't relevant to the book, given that's outside of its timeframe. The book wasn't quite my cup of tea, but I think you're nitpicking on that part.
The orignal book started in 2004 Fu, the version now in print and available for download starts sometime after the 2008 Olympics.

But when did the Chinese ever practice "human wave" as it is depicted in the West? Certainly not in Korea.
Well, I had an uncle at Chosin reservoir and though they may not be techically classified as "wave" attacks, the shear mass of numbers in the advance made the technical differences meaningless to those on the ground.
 
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petty officer1

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come on people, this is a great book. DO YOU want to go read tom clancy's "Russian USA winner and chinese loser" (bear and dragon) and hear clancy say the work f*cking chink 102383 time? I rather read Jeff's book any day. if you don't like it, why read it. it is just like music, don't like it, trun it off.

If a man can write a book with this much infos, there should be a pad on the back. :coffee:

It is just a FICTIONAL Book! you want a perfect book go read the bible.:)
 

The_Zergling

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come on people, this is a great book. DO YOU want to go read tom clancy's "Russian USA winner and chinese loser" (bear and dragon) and hear clancy say the work f*cking chink 102383 time? I rather read Jeff's book any day. if you don't like it, why read it. it is just like music, don't like it, trun it off.

If a man can write a book with this much infos, there should be a pad on the back. :coffee:

It is just a FICTIONAL Book! you want a perfect book go read the bible.:)

Well I think the reason why there has been so much discussion regarding this book is that we can actually talk to the author and get a feel for what he was thinking when he was writing and what not. It's certainly a breath of fresh air (relatively) compared to some of the technothrillers we see nowadays, and if it was something as dumb as some of Clancy's works I doubt people would take the time and effort to read through it thoroughly and give their opinions on what they find good, objectionable, and worth noting. So yeah, I say kudos to Jeff and those that are providing feedback, (albeit generally negative).
 

Jeff Head

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petty officer1 said:
come on people, this is a great book. DO YOU want to go read tom clancy's "Russian USA winner and chinese loser" (bear and dragon)? I rather read Jeff's book any day. if you don't like it, why read it. it is just like music, don't like it, trun it off.

If a man can write a book with this much infos, there should be a pad on the back.

Well I think the reason why there has been so much discussion regarding this book is that we can actually talk to the author and get a feel for what he was thinking when he was writing and what not. It's certainly a breath of fresh air (relatively) compared to some of the technothrillers we see nowadays, and if it was something as dumb as some of Clancy's works I doubt people would take the time and effort to read through it thoroughly and give their opinions on what they find good, objectionable, and worth noting. So yeah, I say kudos to Jeff and those that are providing feedback, (albeit generally negative).
Well, I have read through the whole thread again. There are many comments of all types, some directly about the book and the reading of it, some about the technology in the book, some about political considerations, some about me personally and what people think my beliefs may be, quite a few about neutral subjects, and of course...my responses.

I tried to tally them into positive, negative, and neutral categoires. If someone said something generally, or very favorable about the book, it was positive. If the tone was generally, or very negative...that was negative. If the cooments was about something different...or about someone else's comment and not really relating to the book, that was neutral...and of course, I threw out my own commnets in this tally. I had:

29 positive comments
16 negative comments
25 neutral comments

...but that is just my count

The positive comments came from quite a few different people. The negative comments have all come from three of four people of the same people (and one in particular) who have engaged me in what they think is wrong with the book...and most of those (though not all) are on the last three or four pages of the thread), and particularly about what they assume that I must think. In terms of actual numbers it is two to one postive...and would be higher except that a particular individual chose to make many negative comments...but that's okay, that is what that individual feels and they are free to their own thoughts. I have tried to respond fairly and with reason to each poster and explain myself and the book.

In the end, I think the exchange and my own efforts to try andbe understanding and fairly respond without getting all bent out of shape help the book overall...that's the way I was raised.

Anyhow, thanks to both of you for your own responses and thoughts...it all adds to the whole.
 

Vlad Plasmius

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Well, I had an uncle at Chosin reservoir and though they may not be techically classified as "wave" attacks, the shear mass of numbers in the advance made the technical differences meaningless to those on the ground.

Which was exactly the intent of the Chinese army. They wanted it to look like they had overwhelming numbers, leading to poor estimates to the actual size of their forces. In reality, their numbers were about the same as U.N. forces.

That, however, was 50 years ago when China had just come off of a civil war and lacked the training and technology they have now.
 

amorphous

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Which was exactly the intent of the Chinese army. They wanted it to look like they had overwhelming numbers, leading to poor estimates to the actual size of their forces. In reality, their numbers were about the same as U.N. forces.

That, however, was 50 years ago when China had just come off of a civil war and lacked the training and technology they have now.

That's a worriesome point. I only hope PLA does not become so reliant on technologies that they forget how to fight with just rifles and bare feet. But I fear this must be at least partly true.
 

eecsmaster

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The Korean War was a very interesting war. Unfortunately (or fortunately) it was never sensationalized by the media. It really demonstrated the importance of forward observation and sound tactical decisions.

Let me give you a comparison. The PKA was very well equiped by Eastern Bloc standards. They had radio contact all the way down to the plutoon level. The PVA, on the other hand, generally can even keep track of their companies. How the PVA pushed back a few corps of NATO troops was beyond anyone's (in the West) reasoning.
 
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