German Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

- 15 F-35A Multi-Role Fighters
- 4 P-8A Poseidon Maritime Patrol Aircraft
- 400 Tomahawk Block 5b Cruise Missiles
- Typhoon VLS System

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Trash.

1 - Paying to import fighter bombers that are supposed to drop nuclear weapons. Except you don't control the bomb trigger. The US does. Trojan horse for future buys of unfinished F-35s.

2 - Germany doesn't have much sea to patrol to begin with. All your waters are bordered by NATO countries. You are a natural land power act like it.

3 - Outdated 1970s trash. Disco wants its missile back.

4 - See 1 and 3.

1:
The F35 will replace a part of the aging Tornado fleet, they won't be used solely for nuclear deterrence.
With the new aircraft Luftwaffe would field 50 F35.
Luftwaffe however wants to purchase 400 fighter-bomber drones for attack missions.

2:
Germany will station a number of P8A in Iceland and start patrolling between Greenland and Norway

3:
Tomahawk is available. That's why they are being ordered. Germany and UK however develop a new missile system with at least 2000km range to become more independent.

ger_mark said:

The F35 will replace a part of the aging Tornado fleet, they won't be used solely for nuclear deterrence.

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Even worse. The F-35 infiltration rot continues.

ger_mark said:

With the new aircraft Luftwaffe would field 50 F35.

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For now that is.

ger_mark said:

Luftwaffe however wants to purchase 400 fighter-bomber drones for attack missions.

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Maybe in 2040.

ger_mark said:

Germany will station a number of P8A in Iceland and start patrolling between Greenland and Norway

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Norway has oil. Let them buy their own Poseidons.

ger_mark said:

Tomahawk is available. That's why they are being ordered. Germany and UK however develop a new missile system with at least 2000km range to become more independent.

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Tomahawk is trash. Even South Korea has better long range missiles than that.

ger_mark said:

1:
The F35 will replace a part of the aging Tornado fleet, they won't be used solely for nuclear deterrence.
With the new aircraft Luftwaffe would field 50 F35.
Luftwaffe however wants to purchase 400 fighter-bomber drones for attack missions.

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Has Team Luftwaffe resolved the not too recent problems of poor airframe availability ( due to maintenance issues) leading to insufficient pilot flight hours to meet NATO minimums? Will there even be enough missiles to arm all the jets?

If the underlying problems still exist, will these platform purchases actually lead to increased readiness and capability or are they just dressing the window to gloss over the poor state of readiness of the Bundeswehr (from the 2017 report)?

Ultimately, how prudent is it to double defence expenditure with the Germany economy tanking and civilian infrastructure in dire need of funds and management - Deutsche Bahn as prime example of how the mighty have fallen. Classic guns vs butter problem ...

Germany aviation sector is beyond retarded. They spent ten years with closed eyes continuing to fit shit electronics onto the Eurofighter. And then they decides to spend big on F35s.

Heliox said:

Has Team Luftwaffe resolved the not too recent problems of poor airframe availability ( due to maintenance issues) leading to insufficient pilot flight hours to meet NATO minimums? Will there even be enough missiles to arm all the jets?

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They will be solving it by "upgrading" airframes I guess.

Heliox said:

If the underlying problems still exist, will these platform purchases actually lead to increased readiness and capability or are they just dressing the window to gloss over the poor state of readiness of the Bundeswehr (from the 2017 report)?

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You would think right? At least they are now considering upgrades when before they used to say that upgrades could not be done, you had to buy new Tranches, which they did not buy either. While older aircraft rotted due to lack of maintenance.

Heliox said:

Ultimately, how prudent is it to double defence expenditure with the Germany economy tanking and civilian infrastructure in dire need of funds and management - Deutsche Bahn as prime example of how the mighty have fallen. Classic guns vs butter problem ...

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Who cares. Just spent hundreds of billions on the military.

qwerty3173 said:

Germany aviation sector is beyond retarded. They spent ten years with closed eyes continuing to fit shit electronics onto the Eurofighter. And then they decides to spend big on F35s.

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The Eurofighter is basically contemporary with the Super Hornet and yet it came out with electronics like a decade older.

That's why the fleet is being upgraded to tranche 5 standard. Luftwaffe didn't even have enough money to fuel the aircraft a couple years ago, let alone enough spare part. Pilots lost their licenses due to lack of flight hours.
This is completely changing now which will raise availability of the aircraft.

And yes, the new plans also include a huge stockpile of ammunition of all classes.

Thank you for your attention.

Heliox said:

Has Team Luftwaffe resolved the not too recent problems of poor airframe availability ( due to maintenance issues) leading to insufficient pilot flight hours to meet NATO minimums? Will there even be enough missiles to arm all the jets?

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Yes it has even before the on Ukraine and the bigger budgets, in 2020 the readyness of the Eurofighter was by >70%

Heliox said:

If the underlying problems still exist, will these platform purchases actually lead to increased readiness and capability or are they just dressing the window to gloss over the poor state of readiness of the Bundeswehr (from the 2017 report)?

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Sadly the most up to date numbers are from 2020, the .

gelgoog said:

They will be solving it by "upgrading" airframes I guess.

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No the issue were never the aiframes but the money allowed for parts, you can see in the new order of 20 Tranche 5 Eurofighters with 52 EJ200s how the Luftwaffe learns it lessons.

gelgoog said:

You would think right? At least they are now considering upgrades when before they used to say that upgrades could not be done, you had to buy new Tranches, which they did not buy either. While older aircraft rotted due to lack of maintenance.

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Only the Tranche 1 Aircraft go out of service every other Fighter will be upgraded

gelgoog said:

The Eurofighter is basically contemporary with the Super Hornet and yet it came out with electronics like a decade older.

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not really

Yes really. Compare the PowerPC processors and AESA radar on the Super Hornet in 2005 with what the Eurofighter had. MC68020 processors and planar antenna radar.