Totally irrelevant. A new stealth bomber to replace the H-6 has been reported and rumored.
Future PLAN naval and carrier operations
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Totally irrelevant. A new stealth bomber to replace the H-6 has been reported and rumored.
Missile Defense Advocacy: 3M22 Zircon
"The Zircon missile is strategically valuable due primarily to its speed. In April 2017, it was reported that the Zircon had reached a speed of Mach 8 during a test.[iv] If that information is accurate, the Zircon missile would be the fastest in the world, making it nearly impossible to defend against due to its speed alone. Another valuable aspect of the missile is its plasma cloud. During flight, the missile is completely covered by a plasma cloud that absorbs any rays of radio frequencies and makes the missile invisible to radars. This allows the missile to remain undetected on its way to the target.[v]"
"On 20 February 2019, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated the missile is capable to accelerate up to Mach 9 and destroy both sea-going and land targets within 1,000 km (540 nmi; 620 mi) distance.[4]"
Russian-Indian BrahMos Supersonic Missile (Mach 3, Operational)
See 1:03 for Mach 3 perspective.
When you're hypersonic you generate and are covered by plasma cloud and absorb radar so its not just stealthy but absolute invisible
"The Zircon missile is strategically valuable due primarily to its speed. In April 2017, it was reported that the Zircon had reached a speed of Mach 8 during a test.[iv] If that information is accurate, the Zircon missile would be the fastest in the world, making it nearly impossible to defend against due to its speed alone. Another valuable aspect of the missile is its plasma cloud. During flight, the missile is completely covered by a plasma cloud that absorbs any rays of radio frequencies and makes the missile invisible to radars. This allows the missile to remain undetected on its way to the target.[v]"
"On 20 February 2019, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated the missile is capable to accelerate up to Mach 9 and destroy both sea-going and land targets within 1,000 km (540 nmi; 620 mi) distance.[4]"
Russian-Indian BrahMos Supersonic Missile (Mach 3, Operational)
See 1:03 for Mach 3 perspective.
When you're hypersonic you generate and are covered by plasma cloud and absorb radar so its not just stealthy but absolute invisible
And how plausible is that?
Jura The idiot
General
it'd be an interesting trade-off between
- having the plasma sheath around a missile (assuming the plasma sheet existed around such a missile), and
- ability of that missile itself to communicate/be guided ('communication blackout')
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
I don't know about plasma clouds but if I were to compare:
Russia: Mach 9 Zircon missile
China: DF-21D, DF-26B, Mach 5-10 DF-ZF, and some new super/hypersonic stealthily shaped UAV which could certainly become a missile if it isn't already
USA: Subsonic possibly stealthy missile/suicide drone LRASM
Yeah, if these were ability profiles for characters in a video game, I wouldn't choose the last one; that's for sure... unless I was trying to challenge myself in insane mode.
Russia: Mach 9 Zircon missile
China: DF-21D, DF-26B, Mach 5-10 DF-ZF, and some new super/hypersonic stealthily shaped UAV which could certainly become a missile if it isn't already
USA: Subsonic possibly stealthy missile/suicide drone LRASM
Yeah, if these were ability profiles for characters in a video game, I wouldn't choose the last one; that's for sure... unless I was trying to challenge myself in insane mode.
This makes no sense. If this so-called plasma shroud absorbs radio waves then it absorbs the missile's own radio waves, which makes it impossible to communicate or navigate.
Brumby
Major
@Jura ,
I cannot read your mind and your cryptic like manner of communication is making it extremely difficult to understand.
You asked for evidence that the LRASM has ESM features. I gave you the links to BAE system which is the provider of the systems. Your reply it is sales talk. Are you saying that BAE system is wilfully making false product disclosure? I am not doing this back and forth unless you make yourself clear as I don't intend to waste time engaging on silliness - as there are already plenty of it on this thread
I actually don't think you understand what ESM is because the BAE site already clearly stated that it is the provider of EW to the LRASM. You cannot have EW without ESM because it is a prerequisite to conduct EW. Please don't attach a link of wikipedia on ESM to demonstrate you understand it.
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Jura The idiot
General
you said Monday at 9:53 AM
"The LRASM further adds to this problem because it is not only VLO but its onboard ESM features dynamically allow it to navigate around the sensors of its targets and or escorts based on their electronic emission patterns."
which inspired my question Monday at 9:40 PM
"does the LRASM feature Electronic Support Measures?"
because I've been aware of what I later (Tuesday at 3:42 PM) described as
"... now it's
"The LRASM is derived from the AGM-158B Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile-Extended Range (JASSM-ER), adding only a new radio frequency seeker for terminal phase guidance."
inside
Lockheed To Increase Range Of LRASM
Jul 9, 2019 "
and I thought I made sufficiently clear what I think Tuesday at 3:42 PM
Yesterday at 8:09 AM
that is marketing brochures and animations contain Bravo Sierra = nonexistent features
Jura The idiot
General
adding to what's in my post right above, you may Brumby ask yourself a question why did you say Monday at 9:53 AM
"The next phase of the LRASM is to add EA and ECM onto its capabilities."
to arrive at Today at 1:57 AM
"I actually don't think you understand what ESM is because the BAE site already clearly stated that it is the provider of EW to the LRASM. You cannot have EW without ESM because it is a prerequisite to conduct EW."
"The next phase of the LRASM is to add EA and ECM onto its capabilities."
to arrive at Today at 1:57 AM
"I actually don't think you understand what ESM is because the BAE site already clearly stated that it is the provider of EW to the LRASM. You cannot have EW without ESM because it is a prerequisite to conduct EW."
Brumby
Major
EW as in Electronic Warfare is a broad tent description that includes both electronic defense and electronic attack. Within electronic defense, there are broad elements which include ESM, ECM, and ECCM. All of them perform very specific and different function which brings with it different effects. For someone who understands the subject, when the term ESM is used it carries certain meaning and capabilities which is different from that of ECM. Please refer to the diagram below that is taken from the book "Introduction to electronic defence".
So when I said that the LRASM has ESM features, it mean it has very specific capabilities and would not include other features of electronic defense such as ECM or ECCM and particularly EA which is not even part of electronic defense but under the under the overall description of electronic warfare. The choice of words are by design to convey specific technical meaning.. . .
There is no evidence that I know of that currently the LRASM has ECM or EA capabilities. It is potentially part of a future upgrade. I do not make things up and will not say or infer things beyond which there is no evidence from available public literature. All the descriptive contents concerning its capabilities of being able to detect threat emissions and to plot a navigation path point to the basic function of ESM features. It is not some mystery to draw such conclusion if you truly know the subject of EW. Below is a diagram taken from "Military avionics systems" that better explain the ESM features. It is these features that allow the LRASM to plot a path to minimize detection and also to passively target via such capabilities.
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