Future PLA combat aircraft composition

Deino

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A.Man said:
It Looks Like 78x8x-72x2x=66L

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I saw this image too, but these aircraft - well known since September 2014 - are simply from the 175. Brigade FTTC/Dingxin.

Following the usual PLAAF-serial system, Brigades are the first two and fourth numbers - 611 and not - 722 and I can't think that this system is changed for the 66. Brigade.

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SinoSoldier

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According to rumors, CAC is developing another aircraft type. The "foundation has been laid for the successful maiden flight of the prototype", to paraphrase the alleged article.

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SinoSoldier said:
According to rumors, CAC is developing another aircraft type. The "foundation has been laid for the successful maiden flight of the prototype", to paraphrase the alleged article.

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6th gen fighters I hope.:D

Perhaps like this CGI.
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6th gen fighters I hope.:D

Perhaps like this CGI.
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Actually I don't think so ... IMO most likely yet another UAV.

By the was, this CG is an early "representation" of the J-XX ... as such a what if of the J-20 when the true J-20 was still not known.
 
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I've been playing around again trying to visualize numbers, this time for fighter aircraft. As such this is more about the past than the future inventory. But I guess this is the best suited place to put it and I didn't what to open yet another one.

This has been laying around a while, but I want to get it out now to get a quality check on it.

The charts are supposed to show the inventory of operational PLAAF / PLANAF fighters from Jan' 2000 to today. They disregard old J-7 & J-8 aircraft. I actually don't know if the PLA mainly upgraded existing regiments to new types or created new ones on a larger scale. In the first case, the overall numbers may have shrunk slightly, since old J-7/-8 regiments were larger than J-10/-11 ones?

First individual types:
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Next by "category (of how modern)"
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Then airframe type
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And finally a comparisson of newly introduced airframes.
That does not include modernisation of existing airframes. Which to a large scale is the case in the RuAF with Su-27SM(3), Su-24M2, MiG-31BM, Su-25M and so on.
For the US I've done the numbers with and without the F-35, of which there were, if I'm correct, 171 delivered at the beginning of this year, but wich are of course not operational yet.
It also does not include any J-10C, J-16, J-20.
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Bombers wise, I have 40 H-6K added between mid-2011 and Jan'16. If someone could help out with H-6G/M/H?

And of course any other remarks on the charts.

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> "China built 100+ fighters in 2016, being world largest fighter manufacturers."

According to sina news, in 2016, China industry supply 100+ fighters and fighter-bombers to PLA, including J-20, AESA-powered J-10B/C, J-16 and J-11C/J-15, whilst fighter-bomber J/H-7's production line has been closed, and it is replaced by orders from SAC's fighter-bomber J-16.

China industry have produced world highest number of fighters/fighter-bombers, and PLA recieved the most new fighters/fighter-bombers in the world.

In 2017, China plan to supply 115+ new fighters to her armed force, PLA's order along will make China remain the world largest figther/fighter-bomber supplier.

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Huh? Are those numbers just made up? Because there shouldn't be more than 80ish fighters made. There is no proof j11 was being produced for last two years. Even if it was, it might be instead of paused j16 production.
 
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With 2020 upon us, can we try writing up the current PLAAF/PLANAF combat airplane orbat with rough numbers?

Here's what I have, but please correct me:
PLAAF:
4 brigades operating H6K (15 aircraft per unit?)
3 brigades operating H6M/H (15 aircraft per unit?)
5-6 brigades operating JH7 (24 aircraft per unit?)
8 brigades operating J10A/S (28 aircraft per unit?)
3 brigades operating J10B/S (28 aircraft per unit?)
3 brigades operating J10C/S (28 aircraft per unit?)
5 brigades operating J11B/s (24 aircraft per unit?)
5 brigades operating J11 (24 aircraft per unit? Includes Su-27)
1 brigade operating Su35 (24?)
1 brigade operating J20 (12-24?)
3 brigades operating Su30 (16-18?)
3-4 brigades operating J16 (24?)
3 brigades operating J8F/H (20-24?)
3 brigades operating J8R/FR (12?)
What number of units operating J7E/G/L ???
What number of units operating older J7???


(plus 20+ J10s in various other smaller units)
(plus a dozen more J11B/BS in other smaller units?)
(plus a dozen more J20 in other smaller units?)
(plus half a dozen su30)
(plus a dozen more J16 in other smaller units?)
(plus possibly some J8 and J7 in small numbers, in other small units)


PLANAF:
1 brigade operating H6J (15 aircraft per unit?)
2 brigades operating H6G (15 aircraft per unit?)
5 brigades operating JH7 (24 aircraft per unit?)
1 brigade operating Su30 (24 aircraft per unit?)
1 brigade operating J-10A/S (24 aircraft per unit)
1 brigade operating J-8F/FR (24 aircraft per unit?)
3 brigades operating J11B/S (24 aircraft per unit?)
1 brigade operating J15 (24 aircraft per unit?)

It'd amount to roughly 1220 combat planes in PLAAF, not counting the J7
And to some 340 combat planes in PLANAF.

So how many J7 could be out there still? And are the newer model figures even remotely accurate?
 
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Totoro said:
With 2020 upon us, can we try writing up the current PLAAF/PLANAF combat airplane orbat with rough numbers?

Here's what I have, but please correct me:
PLAAF:
4 brigades operating H6K (15 aircraft per unit?)
3 brigades operating H6M/H (15 aircraft per unit?)
5-6 brigades operating JH7 (24 aircraft per unit?)
8 brigades operating J10A/S (28 aircraft per unit?)
3 brigades operating J10B/S (28 aircraft per unit?)
3 brigades operating J10C/S (28 aircraft per unit?)
5 brigades operating J11B/s (24 aircraft per unit?)
5 brigades operating J11 (24 aircraft per unit? Includes Su-27)
1 brigade operating Su35 (24?)
1 brigade operating J20 (12-24?)
3 brigades operating Su30 (16-18?)
3-4 brigades operating J16 (24?)
3 brigades operating J8F/H (20-24?)
3 brigades operating J8R/FR (12?)
What number of units operating J7E/G/L ???
What number of units operating older J7???


(plus 20+ J10s in various other smaller units)
(plus a dozen more J11B/BS in other smaller units?)
(plus a dozen more J20 in other smaller units?)
(plus half a dozen su30)
(plus a dozen more J16 in other smaller units?)
(plus possibly some J8 and J7 in small numbers, in other small units)


PLANAF:
1 brigade operating H6J (15 aircraft per unit?)
2 brigades operating H6G (15 aircraft per unit?)
5 brigades operating JH7 (24 aircraft per unit?)
1 brigade operating Su30 (24 aircraft per unit?)
1 brigade operating J-10A/S (24 aircraft per unit)
1 brigade operating J-8F/FR (24 aircraft per unit?)
3 brigades operating J11B/S (24 aircraft per unit?)
1 brigade operating J15 (24 aircraft per unit?)

It'd amount to roughly 1220 combat planes in PLAAF, not counting the J7
And to some 340 combat planes in PLANAF.

So how many J7 could be out there still? And are the newer model figures even remotely accurate?
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According to Yankeesama only J-7E/G/L will remain in service by 2021. I assume that the current count is probably around 200 or so.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
According to Yankeesama only J-7E/G/L will remain in service by 2021. I assume that the current count is probably around 200 or so.
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Do you happen to have further comments on the accuracy of my list? I'd very much welcome any contribution to the list.

As for J-7, Scramble.nl mentions 268 J7Es were produced and 80 J7Gs were produced. Huitong mentions on his blog the same 80 figure for J7G and i do remember his J7E figure was in the 250 range... For some weird reason, the J7E entry on his blog has disappeared completely, though.

So, I'd say there are quite high chances there's still AT LEAST 300+ J7 in active service, providing the J7Es were flown as much as older variants were flown and not more. Even if we take for granted that ALL older variants of J7 have been retired (though we have no definitive proof of that) we still know that there were variants flying just a few years ago that were made in mid 1980s. So 30 years of service. IF they were flown the same amount and IF the E/G variants were not designed to be sturdier than the earlier variants - it's entirely plausible even the earliest J7Es, which probably started entering service in early 1990s, are available.
 
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