Future Aircraft Carrier Thread; Designs, Ideas, Brainstorms

Well, yes but Aces are very rare. ...

Sure. Just look what wikipedia says in the article
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(I removed stuff directly related to WW2):

Fighter aces in War had tremendously varying kill scores, affected as they were by many factors: the pilot's skill level, the performance of the airplane he flew and those he flew against, how long he served, his opportunity to meet the enemy in the air, and the standards his air service brought to the awarding of victory credits.
 

Jeff Head

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Jeff did you know?
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Yes. This is the I-400 that we were discussing earlier on this thread: HERE at this post, which I bought a model of and will build later this year.

The US some of them and studied them at the end of world war II, but then sank them when the Russians demanded to also look at them because we did not want the Russians to get the technology.

Now one of them has been found off of Hawaii and the Russians have been able to confirmed what they long suspected so many years ago...that we sank them rather than have them learn of the technology.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
I just had a thought, Could one outfit a super carrier lets say ford class with PVLS not on the flat top but in place of the Rolling Air frame missile stations?
 
I just had a thought, Could one outfit a super carrier lets say ford class with PVLS not on the flat top but in place of the Rolling Air frame missile stations?

Hope this is not off-topic: I was almost sure that either Charles de Gaulle (R91) or Cavour (550) were armed with the A-50 Sylver launcher and thus anti-ballistic missile capable (in theory), but I just checked and ... I was wrong :) both have four A-43 launchers (for Aster 15 missiles only, not Aster 30).
 

Jeff Head

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I just had a thought, Could one outfit a super carrier lets say ford class with PVLS not on the flat top but in place of the Rolling Air frame missile stations?
It's possible, but then you have to have a sponson that is deeper to accommodate the VLS tube and the missile embedded within it. The RAM and the MK-29s are both launcher units that sit on top of the deck and do not penetrate below the deck. The combination of the two, with the 42 RAM missiles for short range, and the 16 ESSM missiles (and if they can quad pack those MK-29 canister then this grows to 64 missiles) for medium range gives excellent leaker coverage too. Then add the two Phalanx of very close range gun coverage and you have a very effective three layers of coverage for the carrier itself outside of its escorts.

It is true that the CDG, the Cavour, the Hyugas and others are adding VLS systems to their carriers. But they do it at the expense of valuable space inside the carrier itself, and may only marginally improve on this layered defense spoken of here. Particularly when the vast majority of the defense for the carrier is going to depnd on its escorts and its aircraft in any event for any major engagement.

Just the same, personally I'd rather see sponsons large enough all around to have one of each of those three tiered weapons at each quarter. In other words one RAM, one Mk-29 ESSM, and one 20mm Phalanx at each quarter...or four of each for each carrier.
 

shen

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what about Mk48 VLS, which doesn't seems to need deck penetration. if that's the case, why stick with Mk28 trainable launcher?

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Maybe a future aircraft carrier will support operations like this:
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by, uhm, being equipped with a whopper radar (of course, in addition to aircraft capable of electronic attacks) ??
 
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