France Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

kwaigonegin

Colonel
I think if the price is right Singapore MAY be interested. Yes, they do have a few LPDs but they're not in the same league. Mistral is twice as big as the Endurance class and a true amphibious assault ship.
It is also ideal as a command ship.
Changi Naval Base is also more than enough to handle Mistral since USN CVNs visit there regularly as well.
France also do not have to worry about any political complications or roadblocks since Singapore is tiny and ally of the US and NATO.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
This is fun. Let us speculate.

Taiwan: They could use one but Chinese pressure would block the sale

Vietnam: They could use one and have been building up their navy, but the cost would be probably more than they can afford

Saudi Arabia: They have the money and could use it in their campaign in Yemen and to keep Iran in its place

Peru: They have a need for a vessel like this, but a low probability of a purchase

South Korea: They could make their own cheaper

I think you were correct in assuming Brazil. They just purchased the LPD Foudre class L 9012 "Siroco" and are actively upgrading their Navy. One or two would be a good augmentation of the existing carrier force.

Chile: They have the money and could get a “one up man” on the Peruvians, or just to get one to piss off Argentina (we have a better and bigger navy than you).

Argentina: No money and the British would stop the French sale



Back to bottling my Grenache
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
I think if the price is right Singapore MAY be interested. Yes, they do have a few LPDs but they're not in the same league. Mistral is twice as big as the Endurance class and a true amphibious assault ship.

It is also ideal as a command ship.
Hmm...well, in March of 2014, there was a model of a larger flat deck variant of the Endurance class on display at the Singapore Air Show. A lot of rumors kicked in over that.

In addition, it has also been rumored that Singapore may buy F-35B aircraft

Finally, in July 214, during interview, I believe that Singapore’s Defense Minister indicated a possibility of commissioning larger Joint Multi Mission Ships, to add to the capabilities of the existing Endurance LPDs. But if I remember right, when he was asked specifically to go into more detail, he clammed up and refused to make any more comments on the topic.

So, there may be a chance.

But some people think that Singapore may be in the market for a vessel that could accommodate the Bravo JSF...and I believe it would take a lot of extra denero to get any Mistral up to that capability.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Hmm...well, in March of 2014, there was a model of a larger flat deck variant of the Endurance class on display at the Singapore Air Show. A lot of rumors kicked in over that.

In addition, it has also been rumored that Singapore may buy F-35B aircraft

Finally, in July 214, during interview, I believe that Singapore’s Defense Minister indicated a possibility of commissioning larger Joint Multi Mission Ships, to add to the capabilities of the existing Endurance LPDs. But if I remember right, when he was asked specifically to go into more detail, he clammed up and refused to make any more comments on the topic.

So, there may be a chance.

But some people think that Singapore may be in the market for a vessel that could accommodate the Bravo JSF...and I believe it would take a lot of extra denero to get any Mistral up to that capability.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.

Yup.. They just have to do the math... If they buy it cheap enough they can allocated the 'savings' to upgrade mistral and maybe even foot the bill for a few jump jets! :)

If I'm singapore I would seriously look into that. Mistral even if not built to mil spec standards appear
to be very decent ships and they are brand dpanking new!
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
.......I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.

Expert: India, Brazil or Vietnam may buy Mistral helicopter carriers built for Russia

Gp33U18.jpg

MOSCOW, August 6. /TASS/. India, Brazil and Vietnam are the potential buyers of Mistral-class amphibious assault ships, which France has refused to deliver to Russia, Head of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Ruslan Pukhov told TASS on Thursday.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and his French counterpart Francois Hollande on Wednesday achieved agreement on terminating the contract for the delivery of two helicopter carriers of the Mistral class, concluded in the summer of 2011.

As the Kremlin said, the two leaders agreed that Russia would get a compensation for the money paid under the contract, and France would return Russian equipment and materials. After that France will be free to use the ships at its sole discretion.

French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian has said some countries have already displayed their interest in Mistrals.

"Ships are normally built to order. That is why, this will be a unique case and we’ll all see how this soap opera will end," the expert said.

"It is logical to presume that the French will offer these ships to the countries, which planned to have this type of vessels under their naval program, or sell these ships at a reduced price to the countries traditionally buying used French hardware," Pukhov said.

India may be among the potential buyers, Pukhov said.

"The first country is India, which has expressed its desire to buy one ship and build three more ships of this type at its shipyards, and, as far as I know, the French would want us to assist them in this," the expert said.

The Mistral helicopter carriers may also be of interest to Vietnam where "economic growth is observed," Pukhov said.

"Brazil is the third country. They [Brazilians] hypothetically could consider the purchase of such a ship on condition the French give a good price," the expert said.

The Mistral amphibious assault ships may also be given to the French Navy, which already has three helicopter carriers of this class, Pukhov said.

"The French Navy does not have sufficient money for this. The Navy commander has already made a statement that the Navy no longer needs Mistrals. But if the French fail to sell them, it is quite possible that they will be able to force their Navy to buy these ships," the expert said.

Link:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!



Back to bottling my Grenache
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
According to IHS Jane's, the 13 countries needing a warship in the next decade -- and with any hope of buying one from France -- are Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Germany, India, Japan, Malaysia, The Netherlands, Singapore, Turkey and Venezuela.

Belgium haha a true joke :D no money but mainly don' t want have for military matter...

Netherlands yet have 2 LPD otherwise close Belgium... reductions, reductions and reductions always but since last year was a bit awake...

This is not serious really !
 
Last edited:

navyreco

Senior Member
Pictures of d'Entrecasteaux in final outfitting at #Piriou shipyard. It is the first B2M Batiment Multi Mission for MarineNationale
e4Sf4A8.jpg

iTnLpCG.jpg

AVnQmsN.jpg

h7pHeA4.jpg


I personnaly don't like they "civilian trawler" look at all but it is better than no ship at all I guess...
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Pictures of d'Entrecasteaux in final outfitting at #Piriou shipyard. It is the first B2M Batiment Multi Mission for MarineNationale

e4Sf4A8.jpg


I personnaly don't like they "civilian trawler" look at all but it is better than no ship at all I guess...
These are meant to replace the smaller Batral landing ships, and will be for low intensity operations as I understand it.

As such they will be a lt more capable than the ships they are replacing (of which I think only one or two remain anyway).

Aren't they going to build four of these?

Will they have armament bigger than small arms?

2200 tons full load, small crew, high availability. These will not be bad vessels for the French Navy for what they are designed for.
 

navyreco

Senior Member
These are meant to replace the smaller Batral landing ships, and will be for low intensity operations as I understand it.

As such they will be a lt more capable than the ships they are replacing (of which I think only one or two remain anyway).

Aren't they going to build four of these?

Will they have armament bigger than small arms?

2200 tons full load, small crew, high availability. These will not be bad vessels for the French Navy for what they are designed for.
- You are right regarding BATRAL
- IIRC the fourth one will be to patrol the arctics (well mostly Antartica and mostly based in Reunion Island):
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

- I've read rumors of some kind of mortars on french discussion boards but I should ask the Navy PAOs sometime to be sure
 
Top