Blackstone
Brigadier
Long-range hits on the two helicopters were impressive, but they still were done under ideal weather conditions and against transport helicopters with no countermeasures.
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Long-range hits on the two helicopters were impressive, but they still were done under ideal weather conditions and against transport helicopters with no countermeasures.
MwRYum
Major
If that's the case the Western media will be onto this story like bees to honey. Nah, the Syrian rebels get their stash either from raiding government depots or grey sources (or black markets even) funded with Saudi's bankroll; foreign Islamist joined the fight probably have their own network of supply.
In short, it's the 1980s Afghanistan all over again, just the location and some of the key players changed, but the backers and bankers are the same.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
He who does not learn from history.... Only I dont think this is Afganistan, right decade wrong country. Try a trip just across the boarder to Lebanon.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
No country can be Afghanistan and no people can be like the Afghans, it's Syria and its the Syrian people totally different
Anyone who knows Afghanistan history will know, that there never has been nor ever will be a military solution in Afghanistan, it's called a grave yard of empires for a reasons, anyone who walks into Afghanistan with a gun and try's to enforce their rule might as well shot themselves
Now international community is in direct talks with Afghanistan and some Taliban to finally conclude this chapter in their history, Karzais government security doesn't even reach the out skirts of Kabul, and that was after 13 years of wars
The minute they started talking they got results, diplomacy is always best solution, I hope the Syrian sides start talking too
Anyone who knows Afghanistan history will know, that there never has been nor ever will be a military solution in Afghanistan, it's called a grave yard of empires for a reasons, anyone who walks into Afghanistan with a gun and try's to enforce their rule might as well shot themselves
Now international community is in direct talks with Afghanistan and some Taliban to finally conclude this chapter in their history, Karzais government security doesn't even reach the out skirts of Kabul, and that was after 13 years of wars
The minute they started talking they got results, diplomacy is always best solution, I hope the Syrian sides start talking too
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
I dont think he saying this is a literal clone. he and I are both comparing the situations backers. he seems to believe that the backing of the Saudi-American on one side and the Russia Chinese on the other resembles the Afganistan conflict of the seventies and eighties.
I beg to differ on that as the actual fighting done was not by vacationing Arabs out on safari looking to bag a Russian. on top of which that was a invasion. I am saying that this has more in common with the Lebanese civil war due to factional fighting.both these assessments are however over simplifying and incomplete.
the financial and logistical support is not just the Saudis, Americans, Russians, Chinese but also Iran and the (surprise surprise) ghost of AQ, all pouring weapons and fighters in.
In addition the situation is more complex and with much higher stakes. not just WMD but stability, and economic concerns. Syria is critical it boarders Jordan Lebanon and Isreal on one side turkey and Iraq on the other. if it falls into a total AQ state Jordan is likely to find its self next into a civil war. well Isreal will have not one possible unstable boarder at two. Factions are hard to pin down and seem to have on real command loyaltys seem almost like hollywood romances you need a tabloid to tell you who is with who this week and who war caught cheating. sectarian ethnic even just plan "I dont like you "is reason enough to clash even between factions who are both in agreement about where they stand on the Asaid government.
I beg to differ on that as the actual fighting done was not by vacationing Arabs out on safari looking to bag a Russian. on top of which that was a invasion. I am saying that this has more in common with the Lebanese civil war due to factional fighting.both these assessments are however over simplifying and incomplete.
the financial and logistical support is not just the Saudis, Americans, Russians, Chinese but also Iran and the (surprise surprise) ghost of AQ, all pouring weapons and fighters in.
In addition the situation is more complex and with much higher stakes. not just WMD but stability, and economic concerns. Syria is critical it boarders Jordan Lebanon and Isreal on one side turkey and Iraq on the other. if it falls into a total AQ state Jordan is likely to find its self next into a civil war. well Isreal will have not one possible unstable boarder at two. Factions are hard to pin down and seem to have on real command loyaltys seem almost like hollywood romances you need a tabloid to tell you who is with who this week and who war caught cheating. sectarian ethnic even just plan "I dont like you "is reason enough to clash even between factions who are both in agreement about where they stand on the Asaid government.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
There will not be a diplomatic solution to the Syrian crisis so long as the west continues to play favourites.
Negotiated solutions by its very nature requires compromise on both sides, but the west and its war hungry 'free' media has pretty much backed themselves and the Syrian rebels into a corner with their handling of the situation to date in that anything less than Assad's head on a spike is going to seem like a total defeat after all the propaganda and vitriol they have been spreading.
The time for negotiation has long passed. Too much blood has been split already for this conflict to be simply negotiated away. There is only three ways this can end now, either Assad crush the rebellion and kill all the rebels, or the rebels overthrown the government and kill all the collaborators, or both sides batter each other bloody and ragged but no one can achieve final victor and the war just simmers down and two effective countries emerge based on the line of actual control.
Negotiated solutions by its very nature requires compromise on both sides, but the west and its war hungry 'free' media has pretty much backed themselves and the Syrian rebels into a corner with their handling of the situation to date in that anything less than Assad's head on a spike is going to seem like a total defeat after all the propaganda and vitriol they have been spreading.
The time for negotiation has long passed. Too much blood has been split already for this conflict to be simply negotiated away. There is only three ways this can end now, either Assad crush the rebellion and kill all the rebels, or the rebels overthrown the government and kill all the collaborators, or both sides batter each other bloody and ragged but no one can achieve final victor and the war just simmers down and two effective countries emerge based on the line of actual control.
What is Syria ? Syria is Iraq without oil or at least very little oil.
They both make up Mesopotamia in ancient times the so called fertile cressende.
They both came under the rule of the Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Macedonians.
Syria was long part of the Roman Empire and Iraq was part of the Roman Empire for a very short time.
They later both came under the influence of Islam and the Arabs (The Abbasid Caliphate).
They both came under the rule of the Ottoman Turks.
They both where colonies of the European powers after WWI for Syria it was France and for Iraq it was the UK.
They both came under Baathist rule and became the personal "Kingdoms" of the ruling families, in Iraq it was the Hussein's and in Syria it was the al-Assad's
Both these families where minority rulers in their countries. Saddam Hussein came from the Sunni Islam sect in Iraq (20% of the population). And Hafez al-Assad came from the Alawite a Shia like sect in Syria (12% of the population).
They both have very complex ethnic and sectarian structures. Iraq was a patch work of Sunni's Shia's and Kurds. While Syria is a patch work of Sunni's, Alawites, Christians and Kurds.
Today in Syria there are too many men with guns and there are too many scores to settle, while there is no oversight or any political control over these armed militia's. The Syrian opposition set up by the the GCC and NATO is a joke and have no influence or control over the varius armed groups that makes up the FSA. Their new "prime minister" is a guy from Texas ! And the sectarian and ethnic make up of the country makes it more difficult to have a negotiated settlement. And who are you going to negotiate with or take charge of Syria after al-Assad ? The FSA with no real unified command and political leaders. Or the foreign backed Syrian National Transitional Council with their Texan leader ? al-Assad's fall is just simply the beginning of another stage of the civil war.
They both make up Mesopotamia in ancient times the so called fertile cressende.
They both came under the rule of the Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Macedonians.
Syria was long part of the Roman Empire and Iraq was part of the Roman Empire for a very short time.
They later both came under the influence of Islam and the Arabs (The Abbasid Caliphate).
They both came under the rule of the Ottoman Turks.
They both where colonies of the European powers after WWI for Syria it was France and for Iraq it was the UK.
They both came under Baathist rule and became the personal "Kingdoms" of the ruling families, in Iraq it was the Hussein's and in Syria it was the al-Assad's
Both these families where minority rulers in their countries. Saddam Hussein came from the Sunni Islam sect in Iraq (20% of the population). And Hafez al-Assad came from the Alawite a Shia like sect in Syria (12% of the population).
They both have very complex ethnic and sectarian structures. Iraq was a patch work of Sunni's Shia's and Kurds. While Syria is a patch work of Sunni's, Alawites, Christians and Kurds.
Today in Syria there are too many men with guns and there are too many scores to settle, while there is no oversight or any political control over these armed militia's. The Syrian opposition set up by the the GCC and NATO is a joke and have no influence or control over the varius armed groups that makes up the FSA. Their new "prime minister" is a guy from Texas ! And the sectarian and ethnic make up of the country makes it more difficult to have a negotiated settlement. And who are you going to negotiate with or take charge of Syria after al-Assad ? The FSA with no real unified command and political leaders. Or the foreign backed Syrian National Transitional Council with their Texan leader ? al-Assad's fall is just simply the beginning of another stage of the civil war.
Blackstone
Brigadier
The Syrian rebels probably get their Arms from whatever sources will sell/give them, plus raiding Assad's stash wherever found, and since there are radical elements within the rebel forces, it's reasonable to believe they have support from radical groups and governments.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Syrian army has had delivered thousands of Igla MANPADS from Russia, I'm really surprised the rebels have not captured a stockpile of them, if they manage to do that it will change the course of the war because the Igla is a very advanced missile system
Bet the first thing Assad ordered was to protect the missiles and hide them
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Bet the first thing Assad ordered was to protect the missiles and hide them
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