Feelings about the KMT, post yours

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renmin

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Finn McCool said:
Sadly, the CCP won the Civil War, and changed the course of histroy to go down a different road. We have yet to see where that road will lead mankind, because now that China has risen, it will have an affect on the whole world and its history. :china: :(
What do you mean sadly? The KMT at that time practically became criminals. They started raiding chinese homes and stealing personal belongings. Oh and I bet few of you know about the KMT's plan to bomb the city of chongqing. The plan was, the KMT set around 20 barrels containing poisonous chemicals in the sewers of chongqing. In 20 years, the barrels would rot and the chemicals would leak out mixing with the sewege poluting the water system. Of course, this attempt failed for the chinese police gathered enough info from KMT spies in china to find and disarm the bombs. Thousands could of died.
 

Roger604

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There is an article I highly recommend, I excerpt the relevant parts here

Some six decades ago, China emerged from a century of semi-colonial feudal economy dominated by foreign interests into the beginning of a sovereign modern socialist society based on agrarian revolutionary ideology, which continues to inform Chinese politics today. The path of escape from semi-colonialism was through anti-imperialism by political revolution against a decrepit dynasty. The political struggle for national revival was complex and protracted, spanning almost a century of violence that included a post-revolution civil war that has yet to end after the establishment of the People's Republic.

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While the factors behind the defeat of the Kuomintang by the CCP have since been controversially debated among conservative Western historians, to most Chinese observers the key factor behind the failure of KMT was clearly its self-inflicted inability to cultivate and keep the support of the Chinese peasantry. It is the unavoidable fate that awaits any political party in China should it make the same mistake, be it imperial, monarchist, fascist, capitalist or communist. In Chinese political culture, support from the peasantry is known commonly as the Mandate of Heaven (Tian-ming). Chinese communism has strong and distinctive historical and indigenous roots that 19th-century Marxism and 20th-century Leninism re-energized.

At the top of the list of obvious reasons why the KMT fell was pervasive official corruption, which was related to inflation. Prices rose throughout KMT rule at more than 30% a year but the salary of government officials, already suffering from traditional institutional defect of below-market pay for the bureaucracy, were not indexed, so bureaucrats could not survive financially without corrupt sources of extra income. Yet the real and fatal corruption was the super-greed at the highest levels of government, which set unsavory standards for the entire public sector. Perpetrators could feel safe from persecution as long as they did not steal more than their superiors. It was an open secret that after the Nationalist Treasury ran dry from official corruption and war, the three top political families, the Chiangs, the Songs and the Kungs, related through marriages, were the exclusive beneficiaries of massive US financial aid to China from 1942-49.

Hyperinflation in the last days of KMT rule, which was caused in no small way by high-level corruption in large-scale monetary fraud, robbed the KMT of all popular support. On August 19, 1948, with US aid, a new gold-backed yuan was issued at an exchange rate of 4 yuan to a US dollar. By mid-May 1949, the yuan fell to 23.3 million to a dollar. Less than five months later, on October 1, 1949, when the People's Republic was proclaimed by the CCP, the KMT had already fled to Taiwan. The fact that the KMT fell from power with the free fall of its currency explains why China is hypersensitive about the danger of hyperinflation associated with a free-floating and freely convertible yuan.

Another reason for the demise of the KMT was that, chiefly because of its elitist outlook, the party suffered from a preference for a small number of top cadres from the time of its founding. The shortage of committed cadres was further exacerbated by the war with Japan, in which more than 100,000 young officers became casualties, two-thirds of the new graduates of the Central Military Academy, plus 19,000 of the 24,000 young civilian cadres trained for mass-mobilization and development tasks.

Even before the war, the KMT had put low priority on social reform and, in particular, the redistribution of land. The KMT relied on the conservative absentee-landlord class living in luxury in cities for support in its halfhearted resistance against Japanese aggression. After the war, US anti-communist influence prevented the KMT from introducing critically needed social reform. KMT policies, hijacked by the national bourgeoisie and conservative landlords, neglected the interior countryside and its peasant population in favor of coastal cities artificially buoyant with foreign capital, giving a false impression of a growing economy while the nation was actually falling into socio-economic chaos.

Finally, the KMT, as a political amalgam of diverse special-interest groups and privileged social classes, exclusive of the peasant masses, the only class that really counts in Chinese politics, became paralyzed by internecine factional conflicts that prevented the natural emergence of any politics of self-preservation.

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Finn McCool

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renmin said:
What do you mean sadly? The KMT at that time practically became criminals. They started raiding chinese homes and stealing personal belongings. Oh and I bet few of you know about the KMT's plan to bomb the city of chongqing. The plan was, the KMT set around 20 barrels containing poisonous chemicals in the sewers of chongqing. In 20 years, the barrels would rot and the chemicals would leak out mixing with the sewege poluting the water system. Of course, this attempt failed for the chinese police gathered enough info from KMT spies in china to find and disarm the bombs. Thousands could of died.

Well, I was saying that Communist rule in China caused much conflict for the entire world. Much more than if the KMT had won. The Korean War and Vietnam are just two examples. Also, the Chinese people would have been spared the deprivations of the Mao era and the Cultural Revolution. It is possible/probable that China would have recieved quite a bit of American aid. That would have helped the Chinese people get over the worst of the post-WWII era. More obviously China would not have remained in poverty when Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore all had their economic rise, because China would not have been closed and communist.

I'm not saying that the KMT didn't do bad things. They did. But the economic and political forces that would have acted on China if the KMT had remained in power would have made it a better place to live today. It's hard to prove, and you can argue the other way, but its my opinion.

It's even more hard to argue that Asia today (outside of China) would be better off if China had not gone communist. Imagine an Asia with a Vietnam that had never experienced a Vietnam War and was economically vibrant. Imagine and Asia with one Korea, also prosperous, and without the brutal Kim reigime and its destabilizing influence. Imagine an Asia without the Taiwan crisis, the most destabilizing force in the reigion. Lastly imagine an Asia with an economically mature China, that had already experienced a meteoric rise and was now settled down, like Taiwan, South Korea or Japan. All of these conclusions are logical. And they amount to a more stable, prosperous and happy Asia, and by extension China.
 

renmin

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Finn McCool said:
Well, I was saying that Communist rule in China caused much conflict for the entire world. Much more than if the KMT had won. The Korean War and Vietnam are just two examples. Also, the Chinese people would have been spared the deprivations of the Mao era and the Cultural Revolution. It is possible/probable that China would have recieved quite a bit of American aid. That would have helped the Chinese people get over the worst of the post-WWII era. More obviously China would not have remained in poverty when Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore all had their economic rise, because China would not have been closed and communist.

I'm not saying that the KMT didn't do bad things. They did. But the economic and political forces that would have acted on China if the KMT had remained in power would have made it a better place to live today. It's hard to prove, and you can argue the other way, but its my opinion.

It's even more hard to argue that Asia today (outside of China) would be better off if China had not gone communist. Imagine an Asia with a Vietnam that had never experienced a Vietnam War and was economically vibrant. Imagine and Asia with one Korea, also prosperous, and without the brutal Kim reigime and its destabilizing influence. Imagine an Asia without the Taiwan crisis, the most destabilizing force in the reigion. Lastly imagine an Asia with an economically mature China, that had already experienced a meteoric rise and was now settled down, like Taiwan, South Korea or Japan. All of these conclusions are logical. And they amount to a more stable, prosperous and happy Asia, and by extension China.
Are you blaming the Veitnam and korean wars on China?!:mad: :mad: The start of the war never had anything to do with the PRC. Even if the KMT ruled china, the korean and veitnam wars would still happen. They were ment to happen. China may have played a big role in the korean conflict but they only gave supplies and did repairs in the veitnam war. The mess up of the cultural revolution had nothing to do with Mao. Are you saying Mao is evil?! I heard this BS a billion times already. When will people learn the true reason why the cultural revolution was so screwed up. It had nothing to do with Mao's reign!
 

Gollevainen

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Alright, I think we have had enough, thanks for your wievs and once again you have prooved to everyone why we don't allow political discussion and are extremely cauntious towards everything related to Taiwan.

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