cabbageman
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This is an easier one, according to Boyd F-86 is superior because of the hydraulic flight control. F-86 all the way...
F-86 vs Mig-15, Who wins?
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Kampfwagen
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From what I have come to understand, alot of the F-86's abilities were brought up as a resposne to the attacks by MiG-15's and the inferiority on the P-80 Shooting Star against modern Soviet designs (which were bassed, as most know, on German Swept-Wing designs). However, as others have stated, the MiG 15 was more of an interceptor and piloted by relatively innept pilots (with some Soviet exceptions).
But like any military device, there were areas where one was superior to the other. The MiG 15 was generaly faster than the F-86 (depending on variant), but the F-86 was much more adept at turn and dive. So if the F-86 pilot wanted to run straight away, he would be a dead duck. But if he turned away, or dived away, he would have little worry. MiGs also preformed better at lower altitudes than an F-86, but their climb was limited.
Overall, in the multi-role sense, the F-86 was superior. But the MiG was a bit of a generation behind. Regardless, the MiG still played hell with the allies' less capable fighters.
But like any military device, there were areas where one was superior to the other. The MiG 15 was generaly faster than the F-86 (depending on variant), but the F-86 was much more adept at turn and dive. So if the F-86 pilot wanted to run straight away, he would be a dead duck. But if he turned away, or dived away, he would have little worry. MiGs also preformed better at lower altitudes than an F-86, but their climb was limited.
Overall, in the multi-role sense, the F-86 was superior. But the MiG was a bit of a generation behind. Regardless, the MiG still played hell with the allies' less capable fighters.
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As an Air-to-Air Fighter
I have to give this one to the MiG.
Think of it this way. Given all the advantages in experience, flight hours and training that the Americans had, they still had their hands full shooting-down inexperienced Chinese aviators flying the MiG.
Compare the kill-to-loss ratios from Korea, to similar kill-to-loss ratios in Iraq (where the Americans had the advantage of both training and better mounts). If the Sabre had been a truly superior fighter, the Americans should have clobbered the MiGs - more like 35:1 and not 4:1.
sze_j86 said:
I have to give this one to the MiG.
Think of it this way. Given all the advantages in experience, flight hours and training that the Americans had, they still had their hands full shooting-down inexperienced Chinese aviators flying the MiG.
Compare the kill-to-loss ratios from Korea, to similar kill-to-loss ratios in Iraq (where the Americans had the advantage of both training and better mounts). If the Sabre had been a truly superior fighter, the Americans should have clobbered the MiGs - more like 35:1 and not 4:1.
Kampfwagen
Junior Member
I think it was said before, somewhere, that a good majority of the pilots flying MiG's in Korea were Soviets. I would not be suprised if I was wrong here.
DennisDaMenace
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Well, I am going to throw a new twist into this.
The MIG 15s are just north of the China/Korean border. The US is flying its patrols to the northern Korean border. They only have about a 5 minutes loiter time before they must return becouse of fuel. This is not my senario, this is what the west said!
The west says there are only about 90 sabers available while putting the Mig-15 count at over 800. If the saber has a 4 to 1 kill ratio, the north should be able to overwehlm the saber with superior numbers. So what happend. Was the north to timid? Or was the saber more powerfull then we are to belive? Or maybe I pulled the wrong numbers out of my rear. ( These are western numbers). Or close to it.
Looks to me that the aircraft are close to equal and the north was just to timid? Looks like a big tactical mistake to me. Feel free to rip me up. Cheers!
The MIG 15s are just north of the China/Korean border. The US is flying its patrols to the northern Korean border. They only have about a 5 minutes loiter time before they must return becouse of fuel. This is not my senario, this is what the west said!
The west says there are only about 90 sabers available while putting the Mig-15 count at over 800. If the saber has a 4 to 1 kill ratio, the north should be able to overwehlm the saber with superior numbers. So what happend. Was the north to timid? Or was the saber more powerfull then we are to belive? Or maybe I pulled the wrong numbers out of my rear. ( These are western numbers). Or close to it.
Looks to me that the aircraft are close to equal and the north was just to timid? Looks like a big tactical mistake to me. Feel free to rip me up. Cheers!