F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

TerraN_EmpirE · Apr 29, 2020

complete striker said:
Next step would be to cut numbers of F-35s to probably 1,500 or perhaps even 750, and to put the F-15 and F-16 back in to production again... hahahaha

First no sign of that happening.
Second F15E and F16C never actually left production. The teen fighters are top sellers in export.

Jura The idiot · Apr 29, 2020

complete striker said:
Next step would be to cut numbers of F-35s to probably 1,500 or perhaps even 750, and to put the F-15 and F-16 back in to production again... hahahaha

things may actually get worse than what you described: if the LockMart lobby is able to push three thousand F-35s and the Pentagon will have to get rid of its other (= functioning) aircraft

TerraN_EmpirE · Apr 29, 2020

Oh Jura your Slant slays me....
The F35 only fits so many mission sets the US in total intends to buy over 2440 units. Barring national emergency. The aircraft it’s aimed to replace becoming less Mission Capable as time progresses. Well improvements continue down the line for the F35. It’s not the Lockheed Martin lobby its the services mission needs.

complete striker · Apr 29, 2020

Jura said:
things may actually get worse than what you described: if the LockMart lobby is able to push three thousand F-35s and the Pentagon will have to get rid of its other (= functioning) aircraft

The problem with the F-35 was that it was designed to replace everything so it is by definition a monopoly aircraft, and early on they decided that developing alternatives like two or more engines was "inefficient", but ironically by making it more efficient they have eliminated all internal competition, so there is a provider and they have no competitors or experts with internal knowledge of what they are doing and how they are doing it so you can think of a number and then triple it, and then double it again and that is the asking price. Because it is a multiple of what it actually costs you can show some flexibility and reduce it a little when they put the thumbscrews on you, but even after hours of waterboarding you still make a nice profit and that is all you really care about. If you are not making enough about half way into production or if faults are found then ask for more money to find solutions, or just say the cost of making the product to the standard needed has gone up... it is OK... no one ever checks.

Jura The idiot · Apr 29, 2020

complete striker said:
The problem with the F-35 was that it was designed to replace everything so it is by definition a monopoly aircraft, and early on they decided that developing alternatives like two or more engines was "inefficient", but ironically by making it more efficient they have eliminated all internal competition, so there is a provider and they have no competitors or experts with internal knowledge of what they are doing and how they are doing it so you can think of a number and then triple it, and then double it again and that is the asking price. Because it is a multiple of what it actually costs you can show some flexibility and reduce it a little when they put the thumbscrews on you, but even after hours of waterboarding you still make a nice profit and that is all you really care about. If you are not making enough about half way into production or if faults are found then ask for more money to find solutions, or just say the cost of making the product to the standard needed has gone up... it is OK... no one ever checks.

you sound fun, so let's wait and see how long you'll stay in
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
by the way I had taken one year break to survive LOL

Jura The idiot · Apr 29, 2020

TerraN_EmpirE said:
Oh Jura your Slant slays me....
The F35 only fits so many mission sets the US in total intends to buy over 2440 units. Barring national emergency. The aircraft it’s aimed to replace becoming less Mission Capable as time progresses. Well improvements continue down the line for the F35. It’s not the Lockheed Martin lobby its the services mission needs.

the best is your last sentence LOL want me to link what? new Super Hornet order or money for A-10 parts?

actually I'd be able to link some time ago (several years) more F-35s were appropriated than even the Pentagon had wanted; want me to find the link?

TerraN_EmpirE · Apr 29, 2020

A10 is retained for congressional pork.

F/A18E-F Rino Hornet were not targets for F35 replacement that was the F18A-D the legacy Hornet. As such production continues and improvements continue on Rino well legacy Suffers from its antiquated nature.
F/A18E-F orders continue as a mission filler for the Naval higher end machine until F/A-XX.

Jura The idiot · Apr 29, 2020

TerraN_EmpirE said:
A10 is retained for congressional pork.

F/A18E-F Rino Hornet were not targets for F35 replacement that was the F18A-D the legacy Hornet. As such production continues and improvements continue on Rino well legacy Suffers from its antiquated nature.
F/A18E-F orders continue as a mission filler for the Naval higher end machine until F/A-XX.

OK and would you agree "some time ago (several years) more F-35s were appropriated than even the Pentagon had wanted" 52 minutes ago

Air Force Brat · Apr 30, 2020

TerraN_EmpirE said:
But he is not an Airforce.