F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

[LesAdieux]

Re: Asia's F-35 buyers forced to wait as China seeks edge

too much has been spent, too much at stake, the F-35 must be saved!

100 years ago at Verdun the mentality was the same: too much blood was spilled, too much at stake, the trench war must be fought to the end!

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Am I missing some thing here? We are talking about multi role fighters not the utter stupidity of fixed fortifications.
To late? The PRC has unless I missed some major event two gen 5 prototypes j20 and J31 both have at most what three years of testing and may be ten to fifteen units max between them. It normally takes between 8 to 15 years to move from prototype to production so unless I am missing the mark Asian F35 buyers should be getting there deliverys about the same time the first operational J20 squadrons are coming online.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

Lets try something different. Les, and go fact any one who wants to try. Before your next antilightning post how about coming up with a alternative that covers your personal complaints and offers similar abilities to the F35. If you are just posting a news article you dont have to worry about it. But if its your own view please accept this as a challenge. Be aware though that as soon as you post your alternate option we are going to start shooting holes in it.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Re: Asia's F-35 buyers forced to wait as China seeks edge

delivery delay and budget overrun is bad for america and will be a lot worse for asia.



it's late, it's expensive, and by 2022, will it be good enough?

Well Les, in the specific concerns I absolutely agree with you, the F-35 is overweight, overpriced and underperforming, three reasons why only a bunch of idiots would have cancelled the F-22, add to that its behind schedule and overlycomplicated by the need to please all the partners, multitask, and carry everybody's "junk" on pylons. Each aircraft will likely cost a very similar amount to the F-22, which in all attributes of a fighter aircraft is an overperformer, although it too is extremely complex, very maintenance intensive, and costs to much, now having written all these things on our sister forum would result in both of us being massively flamed, and you likely being banned to the ether world,,,,,,, But
The F-35 is very close to a real fifth gen, (there is after all only one of those), the two J-20 prototypes and the J-31 prototype illustrate just how daunting fifth gen development can be, and the 3-4 Russian prototype T-50s have also run in issues with stress cracking and developemental ills, and if we were to know the truth as the Eng has alluded to the J-20 may also have some issues in the rear fuse which was contracted to SAC.

Two things, number one, the West must compete with the Eastern block to maintain our own security, there is NO alternative, in the real world weakness is regarded as an invitation to divide and conquer, I assure you that is not on list of desirable outcomes. \
Number two, you and I will never know the actual issues of designing and building a fifth gen aircraft or its cracks, deficiencies, we still cant agree whose engines power the J-20, and if or when we might see indeginous turbines, prolly the WS-15 powering our blackbird.
Three, the J-20s, J-31s, or T-50s rolling off of assembly lines is proof positive that everyone realizes that one and two are facts of life in this new century, everyone is working to stay with the group if not surpass the other players, the only two aircraft that we know any details about are the F-22 and the F-35, both of which are successfull by the fact that they exist and by and large perform very well, the F-35 is a necessity, fourth gens simply will not succeed in highly contested airspace........Brat

 

[ahadicow]

Re: Asia's F-35 buyers forced to wait as China seeks edge

Well Les, in the specific concerns I absolutely agree with you, the F-35 is overweight, overpriced and underperforming, three reasons why only a bunch of idiots would have cancelled the F-22, add to that its behind schedule and overlycomplicated by the need to please all the partners, multitask, and carry everybody's "junk" on pylons. Each aircraft will likely cost a very similar amount to the F-22, which in all attributes of a fighter aircraft is an overperformer, although it too is extremely complex, very maintenance intensive, and costs to much, now having written all these things on our sister forum would result in both of us being massively flamed, and you likely being banned to the ether world,,,,,,, But
The F-35 is very close to a real fifth gen, (there is after all only one of those), the two J-20 prototypes and the J-31 prototype illustrate just how daunting fifth gen development can be, and the 3-4 Russian prototype T-50s have also run in issues with stress cracking and developemental ills, and if we were to know the truth as the Eng has alluded to the J-20 may also have some issues in the rear fuse which was contracted to SAC.

Two things, number one, the West must compete with the Eastern block to maintain our own security, there is NO alternative, in the real world weakness is regarded as an invitation to divide and conquer, I assure you that is not on list of desirable outcomes. \
Number two, you and I will never know the actual issues of designing and building a fifth gen aircraft or its cracks, deficiencies, we still cant agree whose engines power the J-20, and if or when we might see indeginous turbines, prolly the WS-15 powering our blackbird.
Three, the J-20s, J-31s, or T-50s rolling off of assembly lines is proof positive that everyone realizes that one and two are facts of life in this new century, everyone is working to stay with the group if not surpass the other players, the only two aircraft that we know any details about are the F-22 and the F-35, both of which are successfull by the fact that they exist and by and large perform very well, the F-35 is a necessity, fourth gens simply will not succeed in highly contested airspace........Brat

That.... or China, Russia and US could sit on a table and talk. US cancel their F22/F35, China and Russia cancel their 5th gen plan, use the money instead to help people in all three countries who needed help. I think that's how matured person(adults) resolve their differences: by comming up with real solutions and reaching agreement but I guess that's too "left" or "anti-military" for you.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

In case you have not noticed this the Russians, Chinese and Americans are not yet in any conflict between each other. The big worry that is fueling these programs is the smaller regional conflicts, And worry that they could get out of hand. Fact is its not a perfect world. Far from it. Small regional conflicts have a nasty habit of growing into global issues. Bluntly although we would all love it if love thy neighbour became more then just a ideal. You have to live in the world you live in. And 911 was a wake up call that even thousands of miles of land oceans do not protect.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Re: Asia's F-35 buyers forced to wait as China seeks edge

That.... or China, Russia and US could sit on a table and talk. US cancel their F22/F35, China and Russia cancel their 5th gen plan, use the money instead to help people in all three countries who needed help. I think that's how matured person(adults) resolve their differences: by comming up with real solutions and reaching agreement but I guess that's too "left" or "anti-military" for you.

Hey, I'm not the guy that sits around fantasizing about a China/US conflict, in fact I am a Christian-I'm not ashamed of that and Jesus Christ is my LORD and MASTER, I pastor a small church, and substitute teach with children, I am PRO-LIFE, I think our little ditty says Red and Yellow, Black and White, sooo! if you will read my posts you will see that I often reach out to other forum members, I love all of you guys, and to you personally-I would like to apologize. I likely have come off as a warhawk, but I am also aware of human nature and a student of history. If I have been less than kind, my most sincere and humble apology, I am now bowing deeply! feel free to send me a friend request and tell me a little bit about yourself........Now back on Topic

I am an Air Force Brat, and I honestly do believe that the easiest defense is strong offense, so as an honest man I do believe that the F-35, though certainly far from perfection, remains the most viable aircraft to meet those defense needs into the future. Respect,,,,,the probability that unwarrented aggression will be met with a swift and most unpleasant response, most bullys pick on the weak, we as a nation have tried to be good neighbors, and have often moved to protect the weak, but we're not perfect either, so the F-35 is unique in its universal scope of partners, and it will definetly be cheaper than developing your own, most of that expense will be born by the American taxpayer. Brat

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

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Community input sought on basing F35-C planes
March 20, 2013 | By ALEJANDRO DÃVILA | Staff Writer

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IMPERIAL — If there was a unifying message during the Joint Strike Fighter
Coalition meeting Wednesday here, it was that home basing the Navy’s F35C Joint
Strike Fighter Squadron in Imperial County is still an attainable objective.
“It ain’t over until it’s over,” said Lisa Gallinat, co-chairwoman of the coalition,
before she urged the public to attend a public meeting from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. today at
Southwest High School’s multipurpose room.
With this meeting the Navy hopes to educate and gather the public’s input on basing the F-35C Joint Strike Fighter at
NAF El Centro.
NAF El Centro is one of two bases being considered to house these fighter planes.
The coalition says that basing the planes here would bring millions of dollars, create jobs and spark construction
projects and ancillary business activity.
But Naval Air Station Lemoore in Kings County, the other base under review, was listed as the preferred location in
draft environmental impact statement released last month.
Among other things, this DEIS finds that basing the squadron in El Centro could cost some $790 million; while basing
the squadron in NAS Lemoore could cost around $242 million.
This last figure includes improvements at NAS Lemoore, as well as certain renovations at NAF El Centro, where the
squadron would also train.
But coalition members expressed Wednesday that the DEIS figures and findings may not be as accurate as perceived.
“We think that the numbers that they put out there for infrastructure cost are wrong and slanted and inflated for the
problems here at NAF El Centro,” said Marlene Best, coalition member and Imperial city manager.
“They did no analysis of the long-term operational costs. … We think that in a very short number of years they would
make up the additional cost of infrastructure and actually save the taxpayers money over the 30-year life of this
plane,” she said.
In part, saving would come as land for expansion is cheaper here, the coalition maintains, and in addition, bombing
ranges are substantially closer, which would result in fuel savings.
Moreover, Imperial County and its sunny weather would allow maximizing training time while NAS Lemoore has
cloudy weather nearly half of the year, according the coalition.
The coalition is expected to make comments on noise impact and the described impact of low-income children the
DEIS notes — to name a few.
Meanwhile, the Navy is encouraging the public to attend to today’s meetings and comment on the matter.
“No final decision has yet been made, and at this state of the process, again we are soliciting the public’s input. All of
the public comments will be addressed in the Final Environmental Impact Statement, which will be published later on
this year,” said Ted Brown, Environmental Public Affairs Officers for U.S. Fleet Forces Command
Brown noted a decision would come after the final report.

The public input is “absolutely a vital part of the process. … The folks in El Centro and the folks in Lemoore are
obviously very familiar with the areas in which they live, and they can tell us if there is anything that we might have
missed in the document. So yes, we do take the public comments very seriously,” said Brown.
He added that there is no formal presentation today and that instead, the public will have an opportunity to have an
informal discussion with experts who’ll be ready to answer questions on the document and the issue.
“They don’t have to show up at 5, they can show up at any time between 5 p.m. and 8 p.m.,” he said, noting comments
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The comment period ends April 22.
Staff Writer Alejandro Dávila can be reached at 760-337-3445 or [email protected]

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[ahadicow]

re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Thread

In case you have not noticed this the Russians, Chinese and Americans are not yet in any conflict between each other. The big worry that is fueling these programs is the smaller regional conflicts, And worry that they could get out of hand. Fact is its not a perfect world. Far from it. Small regional conflicts have a nasty habit of growing into global issues. Bluntly although we would all love it if love thy neighbour became more then just a ideal. You have to live in the world you live in. And 911 was a wake up call that even thousands of miles of land oceans do not protect.

As a realist, you could not possilbly misinterpret the real aim behind these advanced complex technology-dump fighter jets. "Reginal conflict"? what do you mean? the conflict in Afghanistan, Yumen, Syria, or the Somali pirates? I do not know that stealth work against AK-47, rpgs and camelback riders. These are the machine made for a world war, a pounding between the heavy weight.

Is that legitmate reason for developing advance weaponry? Of course it is. The legitmate reason for China to develop 5th gen fighter is the apparent air-superiority of USA and the possibility of a invasion by sea. And the reason for US to spend so much on defense budget is the China's developing military capability(as DoD emphasized themsalve before its every budget grab). so it goes round and round. A powerful dog been chasing its tail. Familiar scenerio?

World was never perfect, nor is my intent to picture it as. I just want to keep the score on what sanity really is. The sanity does not require us to "love thy neighbour". We hate each other's guts as it is. But if we're still sane, we can still resort to rationality. "look, we don't need to be friends, but this aren't going to end well for both of us, can we stop togather before it is too late." That talk doesn't require love, it only require rationality. But we don't want rationality, do we? Talks are for the weak. We live in mad world and It's mad because we make it so. Let's keep that score and have a better idea when people start to recount things before the war and someone say things like "I didn't have a choice."

Finally, none of my comment are made against persons at this forum. I don't hold anything against any of you. I apologize if I came off as wanting you to feel bad about your military enthusiasm. I love wars, I love reading about wars, gaming about wars and fantasizing about wars because I am, as unfortunately as it sounds, a human male. However, the point I want to dispute whenever I see the chance is the idea that wars and weapons are rational choice made by responsible people. War has nothing to do with rationality just as weapons has nothing to do with necessity. Let's keep that mark straight and debate it as much as we need. Let's have a clear sense of whether war is a good thing, then to enjoy the talks of war. That way, we know it's all entertainment, we know we can be relaxed and just be ourslaves.

 

[ahadicow]

Re: Asia's F-35 buyers forced to wait as China seeks edge

I am an Air Force Brat, and I honestly do believe that the easiest defense is strong offense, so as an honest man I do believe that the F-35, though certainly far from perfection, remains the most viable aircraft to meet those defense needs into the future. Respect,,,,,the probability that unwarrented aggression will be met with a swift and most unpleasant response, most bullys pick on the weak, we as a nation have tried to be good neighbors, and have often moved to protect the weak, but we're not perfect either, so the F-35 is unique in its universal scope of partners, and it will definetly be cheaper than developing your own, most of that expense will be born by the American taxpayer. Brat

The obvious paradox of F-35 program is that US is going to pay for the most of its development while benefiting least from it. Any nation that are "partners" of F-35 program need F-35 more than US do because they don't have stealth fighter of their own. US has the least use of F-35. It doesn't need F-35 for small conflict with much weaker opponents such as Tailiban. With strong opponents such as China and Russia, you want to send in the best of the best, the cutting edge. Then, why would you want to send in F-35 when you can send in F-22? All the medium-sized power that F-35 would just be a fit to fight against are already US allies. Thus, F-35 does not fit the US strategic outlook, does not fit US pocket and does not make sense for american tax-payers. The criticism this program has gathered is well-deserved. Wasting money is not excusiable from "left" or "right" prospective. Those money, if cannot spend on anything that make people's live better, could at least spend on "anti-terrorism" or other proven technology and assets. It's a giant misuse of resources. How can people not see LM get away with murder at the expanse of interest of american public? To which point does LM has to push its profitiability before american tax payer would finally have enough?