F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

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Could the cause of the missing f35 be due to Chinese or Russian action? Could it be blamed on Chinese or Russian action? How could it just go missing without communication of problems. Maybe information is still being withheld seeing as it is a sensitive piece of military hardware but I have an uneasy feeling a false flag operation is going to surface.

Could we please be more professional here, we've lost an airplane and a pilot, out of respect, could we leave the "wack job" speculation to the wack jobs on other forums???

Its quite likely that its little more than "disorientation" caused by maneuvering over water at night,,, its very, very, dangerous... the pilot is in his 40's, this new tech is definitely less intuitive to gents who's whole flying history is steam gauges.....

I do NOT like "glass cockpits", I really don't, had I learned to fly using electronic displays?? no doubt I would feel the exact opposite....

so the glass cockpit, with the real cool helmet provide "data saturation".... too much data is as bad as too little!

wouldn't surprise me if he lost situational awareness and flew the airplane into the water, but lets wait for more information. He did signal to the rest of the flight to "abort the mission"? that's anecdotal at this juncture.......
 
Could we please be more professional here, ...
Brother if Jeff was an active Mod, he'd take care of the hooey "an uneasy feeling a false flag operation is going to surface." #6676 ougoah, Yesterday at 6:26 AM

I can only repeat (Japan Thread) Yesterday at 8:25 PM
first I'll say something: I've been skeptical about the F-35, and I've posted several hundred critical remarks about it, and I have also posted one thousand (?) news about it, but I would NOT exploit any tragedy;
now why I originally came to this thread:
U.S. Destroyer, P-8 Poseidons Join Search for Missing Japanese F-35A Pilot; Officials Say Fighter Crashed
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interestingly,
The F-35 and other warplanes descend on Switzerland this spring
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The Swiss have kicked off flying season for the five types of combat aircraft under consideration to replace the country’s aging fleet, with several demonstrations scheduled between now and early July.

The probes are part of the Swiss “Air 2030” program, an $8.2 billion project to buy new aircraft and ground-based equipment for policing the country's airspace. The evaluation phase began in earnest earlier this year, as Swiss officials took the contender aircraft for a spin in the simulators of their respective home countries. Now they want to see how the planes fare in the famously neutral nation, whose alpine terrain makes engine thrust and maneuverability handy attributes.

Bringing the Eurofighter Typhoon, the Boeing F-18 Super Hornet, the Dassault Rafale, the Lockheed Martin F-35A and the Saab Gripen E to the Payerne air base near Bern is a “significant effort” for the vendors and governments involved, said an industry official from one of the competing teams. But the payoff — an estimated $6 billion of the total Air 2030 budget — is winning “one of the big, promising campaigns out there,” that official said.

All contenders must complete eight test flights each, including one at night. The mission profiles are the same for all parties to ensure equal treatment, according to the Swiss defense ministry.

Notably, the Swiss requirement for competitors is only to bring one or two aircraft specimens, according to a spokesman for Armasuisse, the defense ministry’s acquisition arm. Lockheed Martin expects to bring four of its fifth-generation, stealthy jets to Switzerland for demonstrations beginning in early June.

The Lockheed jets will be from Hill Air Force Base, Utah, making stops on the U.S. East Coast and Ramstein Air Base, Germany, before arriving in Switzerland, the company said. The aircraft will be parked at Payerne during the duration of the tests for more than two weeks, up to June 17, a company spokesman told Defense News.

First up in the demonstration sequence, sorted alphabetically by companies, is a German-British Airbus team. The company this week begins showing a single-seater and a twin-seater variant of its Eurofighter Typhoon. According to a spokesman, the jets are British because those have the newest configuration.

Swiss evaluators have the option of flying along in all two-seater aircraft variants, and one official could be seen in the back seat of a Eurofighter lifting off from Payerne on Thursday morning.

Next up, at the end of April, Boeing will present its F-18 Super Hornet. That plane, along with the Eurofighter, is also still in the running for a German bid to replace its 80-some Tornado aircraft.

In mid-May, Dassault will demonstrate the twin-engine Rafale jet, for which the French government announced a multibillion-dollar upgrade program aimed at improving sensors and weapons earlier this year.

Then, following the F-35 trials, the Saab Gripen E is scheduled to complete the lineup of test flights in late June.

The Swiss government decided to move ahead with flight demonstrations despite an ongoing effort to reevaluate the Air 2030 program. The country’s new defense chief, Viola Amherd, tasked a former Swiss astronaut with critiquing its underlying premises earlier this year.

Claude Nicollier, an astrophysicist and former military pilot, has until the end of April to review a 2017 expert report on which the program was built.

That analysis prescribes that Switzerland needs a fleet of 30 or 40 aircraft to intercept aerial targets that fall outside the range of ground-based defenses. Officials want enough capacity to have four planes in the air at any given time during crises.
 
Saturday at 8:16 AM
whining inside
Here’s how F-35 technology would be compromised if Turkey also had the S-400 anti-aircraft system
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I guess nobody would be surprised if ГРУ operatives were among S-400 technicians, to help LOL!
the text anyway:
now
How Turkey’s industry could suffer from the S-400 deal with Russia
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After experiencing a decade of growth, Turkey’s increasingly vibrant defense industry may fall victim to the government’s quest to purchase the Russian S-400 surface-to-air missile defense system, a deal that will make Turkey the first NATO ally to deploy the system on its soil.

Turkey announced in December 2017 it would acquire the Russian system for long-range air and anti-missile defense. Ankara has since ignored NATO allies’ calls to scrap the S-400 deal, citing its sovereign right to deploy any air defense architecture it chooses. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan emphasized this point during a state visit to Moscow on April 8, saying that the S-400 deal is irrevocable.

Turkey risks severe U.S. sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act.
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to pass legislation that would bar Turkey from buying the F-35 fighter jet, and sanction the country if it buys the Russian S-400.

If Turkey accepts the S-400, “no F-35s will ever reach Turkish soil. And Turkish participation in the F-35 program, including manufacturing parts, repairing and servicing the fighters, will be terminated, taking Turkish companies out of the manufacturing and supply chain for the program,” wrote a bipartisan group of leaders of the Senate Armed Services Committee and Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

“We are committed to taking all necessary legislative action to ensure this is the case. Turkey is an important partner in the F-35 program, but it is not irreplaceable,” the lawmakers added in their
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But Ankara remains defiant. Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said April 10 that the country could open negotiations with Russia to purchase a second batch of S-400s.

A U.S. diplomatic source has told Defense News that the direct cost of U.S. sanctions on the Turkish industry could reach $10 billion. “And that excludes indirect costs,” he added.

Turkey is a partner is the multinational, American-led Joint Strike Fighter program that builds the F-35. Turkey has committed to purchase more than 100 new-generation jets. Several Turkish companies are producing parts for the JSF program, including airframe structure and assemblies, landing gear components, and more than 100 F135 engine production parts to include titanium-integrated blade rotors.

Industrial members also produce the missile remote interface unit, the panoramic cockpit display, center section wiring systems, airframe structures and assemblies, hardware for the jet’s F135 engine, and an advanced precision-guided standoff missile, which will be internally carried on the fifth-generation aircraft.

Turkish Aerospace Industries, or TAI, supplies production hardware for the F-35. In conjunction with U.S. firm Northrup Grumman, TAI manufactures and assembles the center fuselages, produces composite skins and weapon bay doors, and manufactures fiber placement composite air inlet ducts.

TAI also manufactures the jet’s air-to-ground pylons and adapters, which are considered alternate mission equipment, or military equipment that can be added or removed to aircraft depending on mission requirements.

Other Turkish companies that produce parts for the F-35 are Alp Aviation, Ayesas, Fokker Elmo Turkey (in Izmir), Havelsan, Kale Aerospace, Roketsan, Tubitak Sage and Tusas Engine Industries.

U.S. sanctions could potentially target senior procurement officials and prominent Turkish companies participating in the S-400 contract. “That would create a second wave of sanctions … by curbing and halting Turkish companies’ international programs and deals, including know-how, with non-U.S. (but Western) defense entities,” the American source said. “Here we are talking about another heavy damage in addition to the dismissal from the F-35 program.”

Additionally, the U.S. may disrupt Turkey’s current and future systems export efforts, including those for the T129 attack helicopter, built by TAI under license from the Italian-British firm AgustaWestland. The T129, based on its predecessor, the A129 Mangusta, is a twin-engine multirole attack helicopter.

The T129 is powered by two LHTEC T800-4A turboshaft engines. Each engine can produce 1,014 kilowatts of power. The T800-4A is an export version of the CTS800 engine. LHTEC, which makes the engine, is a joint venture between the American company Honeywell and the British firm Rolls-Royce.

Last year Turkey signed a
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with Pakistan for the sale of 30 T129s.
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to make the T129 deliveries to Pakistan — or any other foreign buyer. In December, the Philippine government selected the T129 for military use, and talks are ongoing for the sale of eight helos.

A Turkish aerospace industry executive admitted that the U.S. sanctions could hurt the Turkish industry, but said the damage would not be “too punishing.”

“The talk of over $10 billion in potential losses is a gross exaggeration to increase pressure on the Turkish government.”
 
they need to edit the last sentence of
F-35 Software Upgrade Program Will Field Capabilities Sooner, But Delay Purchase of New Fighters
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(now it reads
"According to the written testimony, the Navy is buying 10 F-35Bs, 20 F-35Cs and 24 FA-18E/F Block III Super Hornets between FY 2020 and 2024.")
 

ougoah

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Nice try to spin it as negative only for Turkey.


I never imagined to see this high price that the US has to pay for its meddling in Ukraine / Syria / Iraq.

Wow.

All monkeying about the f35/s400 will make a plethora of opportunities for Russia/ Turkey/ Iran/China.

This is echo chamber territory we're in.
 
But But.... Buh muh freedum of speech!




Seriously it's silly for you to make any judgement calls on what is acceptable and unacceptable forum talk. What authority do you have? None here and not enough to have anyone take this post seriously apart from the usual suspects. I personally think you guys should just stop posting trash talk. There's plenty of examples from both Brumby and AFB. Quite your whining and just let it go ;) If you guys were a little offended at the "false flag" comment that was clearly tongue in cheek, ignore it. No need to tell us what you think is appropriate high quality forum posting. Because clearly your's are all perfect while anything that doesn't completely agree with your sensitivities are not.
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Air Force Brat

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in Japan Thread

you claimed it was great to have so many industrial participants in the program Today at 7:16 AM
while this is a ridiculous idea according to me:
supply chain should be as SHORT as possible, not as LONG as possible
No, its great to share developmental and production costs. I agree with you that the supply chain should be as short as possible. Its awesome to have as many end users buying and operating a common airframe, that my friend has driven costs way down, and the F-35 is an extremely agile powerful aircraft kinematically, what it does electronically is almost miraculous.
 
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