F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
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Confirmed he have a big IR signarure, very good for RCS ( less than exceptionnal F-22 ) remains EM emited with sensors the more big with radar more difficult to known.
Considering it for begin we look for IR signature/heat after we see about RCS, EM a little, visual also but very small in general 3/5 km max for get an idea about detection/engagment range with weapons ofc for know if vs her main rivals he can get the first shot which is the more important in a combat, and for all types.
I precise we have accurate range for weapons but impossible get it for sensors, RCS ofc.
So F-35 IR signature détails and how evaluate a IR signature according several good ( i hope
) sites/blogs i have see :In terms of IR signature, primary factors are size, speed and engine emissions
1/ engine emissions are less significant if divided in two engines, leading to increased cooling due to greater ratio of plume surface area to crosssection
2/ While normally this advantage would be negated by aerodynamic superiority of single-engined aircraft, not the F-35.
3/ F-35s unaerodynamic fuselage means that it requires full dry thrust to achieve fast speeds
Despite that F-35 get a advantage in stealth mode get weapons inside with an inferior drag than no stealth fighters with externals weapons but even it normaly F-35 remains inferior for this matter.
If F-35 is medium for some characterictis it is coz build for 3 services with different employments and desired cheaper for US but also export and that's why he get only one engine.
Considering these points from long time we know F-35 get an enough big IR signature the video is not a surprise.
IR signature evaluation about for give an idea
1/ rear signature is 50% superior to frontal
2/ with afterburner for supersonic speed 50% Superior
So for both + 100 %
But despite IR signature can be enough significative she is clealy inferior to RCS and much more as EM.
The best IRST F-35, Typhoon, Rafale sure presumably last Sukhoi especialy Su-35 get a max identification range of 50+ km and detection depnds IR signature... up to 145 km for pratice reasons normaly only possible to fired in the identification range otherwise can be a friend...
Then we will see a comparison btw IR range, EM a little and mainly radar range with RCS ofc for know if IR system can to be a problem for stealth fighter especialy F-35.
I precise S-300 especialy the last and S-400 get IRST.
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Jura The idiot
General
I found very interesting reads after googling 'IRST Pirates' (the only system I had known until then
for example
"There is nothing the guys with stars on their shoulders want to see less than a F-22 or a F-35 routinely getting waxed by IRST equipped F-16s."
says a debater under
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Thing is Jura, that article is over a year old, And Features a Photo of a Woodland Camo F16C of the 64th Aggressors Sporting an IRST in 2013.
For 3 years they have been using IRST And For 3 years they have continued to face F35 with having the advantage.
For 3 years they have been using IRST And For 3 years they have continued to face F35 with having the advantage.
Jura The idiot
General
I perhaps understand why you didn't post a link
The Pentagon Has Figured Out How to Hunt Enemy Stealth Fighters
EDIT (had to reboot in the meantime)
the obvious question is if F-35 is invisible to an IRST then ... is it?
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Obviously not
as for radars less much, less detectable but alwaysA thing even if her IR signature is enough big F-35 outmatch all fighters which don' t have IRST can identified them to saying 60 km without to be detected with her IRST, others without IRST can use IR AAM sensors but to short range.
IRST help mainly for A2C combat to medium range no LR coz as i have sayidentifiy to 50+ km max for dogfight in general to visual range not really usefull.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Of course F35 and F22 are not invisible to IRST. but IRST are not infallible, The PIRATE IRST on the Eurofighter can spot an fighter at about 30 miles 55 if it's facing the aft quarter of burning engines. Range of a Sidewinder or Archer is about 25 miles an ASRAAM is about 30 miles That means that the Interceptor and Intruder both have to be already in weapons range of each other at detection. Visual range is normally considered at about 40 miles so
< German will need to translate.>
The Radar System of the SU35 is appraised by Aviation week as having a range of detection of the F35 at 36 miles and F22 at 22 miles. Basically If a Flanker detects Lightning 2 It's a lucky day for him. As for what ever reason the Lightning pilot has had him in his weapons range for some time and not killed him.
In the Case of A Red Viper Against a Blue Lightning 2 in War gaming we would likely find the same. He has to be Virtually on top of the Stealth before he can actually see him. And by that point the less stealthy bird has been in the Lightning's detection Range for sometime.
For An Aggressor Squadron This is Fine, Aggressor flights are primarily aimed to close range Combat training.
For Combat intercept this is a very bad day.
< German will need to translate.>
The Radar System of the SU35 is appraised by Aviation week as having a range of detection of the F35 at 36 miles and F22 at 22 miles. Basically If a Flanker detects Lightning 2 It's a lucky day for him. As for what ever reason the Lightning pilot has had him in his weapons range for some time and not killed him.
In the Case of A Red Viper Against a Blue Lightning 2 in War gaming we would likely find the same. He has to be Virtually on top of the Stealth before he can actually see him. And by that point the less stealthy bird has been in the Lightning's detection Range for sometime.
For An Aggressor Squadron This is Fine, Aggressor flights are primarily aimed to close range Combat training.
For Combat intercept this is a very bad day.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Tyler Rogoway the Author you quoted who used to run Foxtrot Alpha ( now he writes for ) posted about the AN/AAS-42 IRST pods on F16's of the 64th Aggressors back on March 22, 2013 on his other site Aviation Intel
So yeah 3 years with no reported massive advantage.
Jura The idiot
General
to save the day for F-35
you pulled Issue 6/2008
of some Austrian source, so let me add two things (and for now I'll it at that):
- "Suffice it to say that IR sensor design cycles will certainly - outpace - stealth airframes." and
- "Conceptually one can act on a - 'False-Positive' - even if stealth is 100% effective in the radio spectrum:
a) IRST picks something up.
b) Point your radar at it.
c) No (or strange) radar return? = stealth.
d) We don't have stealth.
e) Select R-27T-R-77 class IR weapon - 'Fox!’ "