F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
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Fine job again Brumby !
For a little less good individualy according actual infos especialy for J-20... but enough sure get a better electronic, sensor fusion, several ships in formation/flight networked.
For A2A combat to LR equal about, radar very good but less powerful as others, less big noise for host but better RCS especialy as the J-20 so detect a little more soon, same internal weapons load 4 AAM LR for the future planned 6 Block 5 2023/24 but remains possible J-20 hot 6 also i see less 6 fit in the T-50.
Max AAM LR load F-35 : right now sure 8 with adaptors as F-22 in main ext hard points : 12, Block 5 : 14 as F-22, T-50 : 10, J-20 10/12 adds in more 2 IR to all.
For dogfight
less good, agile but her electronics systems which allow to pilot look more fast on 360° and fired AAM without see ennemy compensates, completely ?
Less powerful gun as T-50, 25 vs 30 mm a little more rounds 180 vs 150, J-20 now nothing...
IR signature, reactor much more masked as 2 others but one very powerful more locatable than 2.
For A2G attack in stealth mode with internal weapons load about 2,1 t ( F-35B 1.2 t ) equal T-50 but A/C capable to be armed with 907 kg bombs more efficient vs difficult or buried target; Others max 454 kg no sure for J-20 but i don't think 907 kg bombs fit her weapons bays coz similar arrangement with the F-22.
Total weapons load 9 t, F-35B 8 t a little less as T-50, 10 t more big and equal to J-20, the three equal only thing possible US tageting designators better ?
Undoubtely A2G attack is his forte her main mission build for it and to be excortef if needed with especialy F-22, F-15C modernised also.
Range decent better as F-16 but no match with the two others more big, CR in average F-35A : 1080 km, B : 850, c : 1150, T-50 : ~ 1700, J-20 1700/2000 !
For a little less good individualy according actual infos especialy for J-20... but enough sure get a better electronic, sensor fusion, several ships in formation/flight networked.
For A2A combat to LR equal about, radar very good but less powerful as others, less big noise for host but better RCS especialy as the J-20 so detect a little more soon, same internal weapons load 4 AAM LR for the future planned 6 Block 5 2023/24 but remains possible J-20 hot 6 also i see less 6 fit in the T-50.
Max AAM LR load F-35 : right now sure 8 with adaptors as F-22 in main ext hard points : 12, Block 5 : 14 as F-22, T-50 : 10, J-20 10/12 adds in more 2 IR to all.
For dogfight
less good, agile but her electronics systems which allow to pilot look more fast on 360° and fired AAM without see ennemy compensates, completely ?Less powerful gun as T-50, 25 vs 30 mm a little more rounds 180 vs 150, J-20 now nothing...
IR signature, reactor much more masked as 2 others but one very powerful more locatable than 2.
For A2G attack in stealth mode with internal weapons load about 2,1 t ( F-35B 1.2 t ) equal T-50 but A/C capable to be armed with 907 kg bombs more efficient vs difficult or buried target; Others max 454 kg no sure for J-20 but i don't think 907 kg bombs fit her weapons bays coz similar arrangement with the F-22.
Total weapons load 9 t, F-35B 8 t a little less as T-50, 10 t more big and equal to J-20, the three equal only thing possible US tageting designators better ?
Undoubtely A2G attack is his forte her main mission build for it and to be excortef if needed with especialy F-22, F-15C modernised also.
Range decent better as F-16 but no match with the two others more big, CR in average F-35A : 1080 km, B : 850, c : 1150, T-50 : ~ 1700, J-20 1700/2000 !
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A scene right out of "Top Gun", I can't remember what song is playing as Maverick sits on his ZX-9 Ninja, and watches the F-14s land. "HIGHWAY TO THE ,,,,,,, DANGERZONE! RIGHT INTO, THE DANGERZOOOOONNE! how did you like that ?????
I sound just like Kenny Loggins don't I??? sorry guys, just had to sing it one more time.
F-35B
These idea for 200 new F-22 yet i don't think possible coz money... i have no preference ofc F-22 more nice, agile a little special but the more important is to satisfy the warfighter have the best.
The main problem is USAF fighters-Bombers Fleet size, yet many cuts from Cold War at the begining logic don' t need a huge fleet but after too cuts... again one in 2010: 250 F-15/16 ! remains 2000 enough but necessary keep this numbre as Congress point.
And a new F-22 want definitely double of a F-35A, around 200 mill, i think minimum vs100/F-35A about the calculation is simple :
200 new F-22 cost 400 F-35A : so from 1763 to 1363 for fighters fleet - 200 to 1800.
Despite the 200 F-22 can be really better that F-35A for A2A combat but not for A2G missions especialy coz i don' t modification for her main weapons bay and can 't host 2000 lbs bombs as F-35A, can 1000 lbs but with it you get a bomb less lethal, capable.
For SDB 8 for both but for terrorists perfect but in war time mainly interesting for SEAD so few powerful vs big, difficults targets.
F-35A is not a thoroughbred but more versatile as F-22.
After decades of decreases for number of equipment the quality of new should compensate in fact only partialy and experts say now it is necessary change it and the numbers of equipment with new post Cold War threat is now to really considered.
I prefer have French AF to 250 fighters with a part of Mirage 2000 not too old and modernized for get a big number of fighters, units ready for to be deployed than only 150 Rafales definitely better but so few numerous.
These idea for 200 new F-22 yet i don't think possible coz money... i have no preference ofc F-22 more nice, agile a little special but the more important is to satisfy the warfighter have the best.
The main problem is USAF fighters-Bombers Fleet size, yet many cuts from Cold War at the begining logic don' t need a huge fleet but after too cuts... again one in 2010: 250 F-15/16 ! remains 2000 enough but necessary keep this numbre as Congress point.
And a new F-22 want definitely double of a F-35A, around 200 mill, i think minimum vs100/F-35A about the calculation is simple :
200 new F-22 cost 400 F-35A : so from 1763 to 1363 for fighters fleet - 200 to 1800.
Despite the 200 F-22 can be really better that F-35A for A2A combat but not for A2G missions especialy coz i don' t modification for her main weapons bay and can 't host 2000 lbs bombs as F-35A, can 1000 lbs but with it you get a bomb less lethal, capable.
For SDB 8 for both but for terrorists perfect but in war time mainly interesting for SEAD so few powerful vs big, difficults targets.
F-35A is not a thoroughbred but more versatile as F-22.
After decades of decreases for number of equipment the quality of new should compensate in fact only partialy and experts say now it is necessary change it and the numbers of equipment with new post Cold War threat is now to really considered.
I prefer have French AF to 250 fighters with a part of Mirage 2000 not too old and modernized for get a big number of fighters, units ready for to be deployed than only 150 Rafales definitely better but so few numerous.
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Jura The idiot
General
Jul 3, 2015
in the meantime, I was (almost) fooled by
after F-35B IOC was described as such a success in
F-35 OT-1 By the Numbers
which you may (and some of you won't read to check this graphics:
which is yet another
F-35 OT-1 By the Numbers
so I have been skeptical about the official success stories, as in (recent examples posted here):
Jun 23, 2016
Wednesday at 2:06 PM
is all this just the business as usual? LOL
To me, the F-35 Project had been the source of amusement(s) (around 2002 due to new technologies involved; since 2014 due to the way it's been procured; I tried to explain the 13-years gap
Now I'll stop posting in this Thread for one year, until Independence Day 2016, as I don't want to upset some people here I like. Just let me tell you I've tried to be impartial -- good news or bad news, I posted them if I thought they were not faked (and were important) -- which in this Thread sometimes looked as nay-saying, bashing, detracting ... which I believe it wasn't ... so I'll give myself a break.
in the meantime, I was (almost) fooled by
after F-35B IOC was described as such a success in
F-35 OT-1 By the Numbers
while later the hard data were obtained (), made available in
which you may (and some of you won't
read to check this graphics:
which is yet another
F-35 OT-1 By the Numbers
so I have been skeptical about the official success stories, as in (recent examples posted here):
Jun 23, 2016
from inside: "... 88 sorties ... Seven F-35As ... June 6-17 ..." deployment, so it's, on average, almost exactly, one sortie per one day per one aircraft ... with no info about the duration of those flights
Wednesday at 2:06 PM
from inside: "... the squadron received its first two F-35B aircraft on May 9 — three days after it completed its final flights with the Harrier. Officials did not immediately respond to a request about when the remaining joint strike fighters made by Lockheed Martin Corp. would join the squadron. ..." so in my opinion, the headline is pathetic
is all this just the business as usual? LOL