F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

thunderchief

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I'm not asking from US military to tell everybody how the system works, I would want to know what it is supposed to do . Something like when they say F-35 would go over 1.6 Mach, it would carry Aim-120 internally , it would have HMDS etc ...

For me , F-35 is just another human-made flying machine . Labeling it 5th gen fighter is our convenience , but it has parts like any other aircraft . Those parts need to be maintained at regular intervals or when other conditions are met . Problem has already been encountered by other aircraft (military or commercial) and it has been solved . So I don't understand what is so revolutionary .
 

Jeff Head

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... parts need to be maintained at regular intervals or when other conditions are met . Problem has already been encountered by other aircraft (military or commercial) and it has been solved . So I don't understand what is so revolutionary .
You just described what it does, Thunder.

It is revolutionary because of how it will report on a lot more of the systems, how it goes about doing its diagnostics and how much diagnostics is going to be done, and how all of that is going to be implemented through software to reduce the work load on the maintenance personnel.

This will reduce costs very significantly over time, particularly when applied to such a large fleet.

It is very understandable why the US military and its allies would not want to have other, potential opposing nations knowing the details of all of that.

What you said above explains it in general, and that is apt to be about the extent of what you see in the public domain for some time.

Internally, there will be a lot more...and then as years go by, and more and more people work on it and then get older and retire, etc., more information is bound to leak out.
 

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Scratch

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The head of the F-35 program seems to be pretty happy with the norwegian part in readying their weapons for implementation.
The Kongsberg JSM, and the APEX munition, which I believe is some kind of gun ammo(?), are well under way in their respective development cycles to be ready for implementation in the jet.

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WASHINGTON — The head of the F-35 joint program office praised on Friday a pair of munitions developed by Norway, despite reluctance from the Pentagon to purchase the weaponry.

Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan praised the Joint Strike Missile (JSM), developed by Kongsberg, and the Nammo-designed APEX ammunition during a one-day summit here that was organized to support the US-Norwegian military alliance.

During his speech, the general highlighted the work being put in by the Norwegian government to prep the weaponry for certification on F-35s.

"What the Norwegian government is doing today is getting that missile ready to be integrated on an F-35," Bogdan said. "And they're putting a lot of time, energy and money into insuring that weapon system [so] when it comes time to get on the F-35, it will be much easier and we can do it much sooner."

The often outspoken head of the program office then contrasted the work by Norway to other countries developing weapons for the fifth-gen fighter.

"I wish that were the case with some of the other partner weapons we are going to try and put on this airplane, but it's not," he said. "Those weapons are still not being developed and are not as mature as we'd like them to be. Norway is doing exactly the right thing to go on the F-35.

"And I'm pretty convinced in my own mind that when that weapon does get on the F-35 and it gets there quicker than most others, folks are going to look and say 'hmm maybe I should reassess what I need in the future.'"

That last part was music to the ears of the audience, which was heavy with representatives from a Norwegian military industry that desperately wants to get the JSM on the US fleet of F-35s, by far the largest buy of any single country.

Kongsberg is teamed with Raytheon to push the JSM and its cousin, the Naval Strike Missile, in the US.

After his speech, Bogdan told Defense News the Norwegian designs "were pretty smart" and called APEX "a pretty impressive weapon."

The APEX, or Armor Piecing Explosive, has faced concerns from the Air Force, which will operate the F-35A, because it is an explosive round. Bogdan, however, said he believed the service would come around to its use once the ammunition has been used by Norwegian forces.

"They want to see us qualify APEX on the airplane, use it and see how effective it is, and then they may look at what their options are," Bogdan said. "I understand that. They are in a wait and see mode, and until the airplane has that weapon on there, we can show how effective it can be, I wouldn't expect the Air Force to change."

Both the Marines and Navy, which will operate the F-35B and F-35C models, have expressed interest in APEX as well, Bogdan said.
 

Jeff Head

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The head of the F-35 program seems to be pretty happy with the norwegian part in readying their weapons for implementation.
The Kongsberg JSM, and the APEX munition, which I believe is some kind of gun ammo(?), are well under way in their respective development cycles to be ready for implementation in the jet.

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They should get over the ridiculous "reluctance," and purchase particularly the JSM. It's a GREAT weapon and its ready now. IMHO, the US Navy should put the NSM to sea on the up-gunned LCS as well.

We have good allies like Norway and we should work with them on such projects and use them where necessary...get an agreement to have Lockheed or BAE or someone to license build them over here.
 

Air Force Brat

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They should get over the ridiculous "reluctance," and purchase particularly the JSM. It's a GREAT weapon and its ready now. IMHO, the US Navy should put the NSM to sea on the up-gunned LCS as well.

We have good allies like Norway and we should work with them on such projects and use them where necessary...get an agreement to have Lockheed or BAE or someone to license build them over here.

One of my Dad's students in the C-130 was a Norwegian Air Force Officer, I was 12 or 13 at the time, and one of my Dad's friends and also an IP in the 130 invited us to join he and his family in small get together at their home??? I don't remember what the Dad or the Mom looked like, but their daughter was the most beautiful lady I had ever seen, I couldn't understand a word she said, I don't remember her name, but I was totally enraptured? so yes we definitely need to take good care of our Norvegian friends, LOL.

On a more important note the F-35 is coming to EAA Air Venture this summer??? they will likely announce the arrival and departure times later?? sadly just a static display, but worth the trip just to see it fly.
 
They should get over the ridiculous "reluctance," and purchase particularly the JSM. It's a GREAT weapon and its ready now. IMHO, the US Navy should put the NSM to sea on the up-gunned LCS as well.

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I believe the US Military is prohibited from importing foreign weapons if there're American alternatives to them (I don't know lawyers talk so feel free to correct the preceding statement -- now I used google, but found just plenty of section and section section signs LOL) so I'm curious how it works for LRASM / Harpoon (against NSM)
 

Jeff Head

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Ah...but if BAE US, or Lockheed, or someone entered into an agreement with them to license build them in the US...I believe they could do so.

The LRASM is coming and it is going to be great. But it is longer range than the Naval Strike Missile, and will probably be more expensive. The NSM would be great for the LCS.

The JSM, which is an airborne version of the NSM, is made for the JSF. It is a weapon that already fits into the internal weapons bay of the JSF and if the US license builds it, it could be used for US Joint Strike Fighters. The Norwegians and others will most certainly buy it for their JSFs and us having it would be a good thing too.

Anyhow, Norway makes good stuff. No hurt in taking advantage of it and letting it provide American jobs...and helping the Norwegian company at the same time. Win win.
 
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