F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

The point I was making is that in a contested environment, F-35's as designed would be able to operate to provide sensor information for target acquisition unlike E-2D's which would not survive. The comparison wasn't over endurance or range. F-35's would be operating inside threat bubble.
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Brumby: Did you mean the F-35s would "fly into harm's way" (while the Hawkeyes had to stay close to a carrier, protected by fighters)? And where did you get the chart? :)
 

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Brumby: Did you mean the F-35s would "fly into harm's way" (while the Hawkeyes had to stay close to a carrier, protected by fighters)? And where did you get the chart? :)

In a contested environment, I think F-35's would likely be tasked with missions that may require them to penetrate deeper into that environment and in contrast the E-2's would be placed closer to a protective ring. After all, the E-2's are important eyes of the carrier group and would be a prime target by the other side. It is probably dependent on what the anti air threats that the other side is expected to deploy and the E-2's placed outside that range but sufficient to perform its primary mission.

The chart was taken from an article by Dave Majumdar published on 23/1/2014.
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Brumby: Did you mean the F-35s would "fly into harm's way" (while the Hawkeyes had to stay close to a carrier, protected by fighters)? And where did you get the chart? :)
Jura, F-35s, F/A-18s, and the UCAVs will definitely fly "into harm's way," in the sense that they are expected to conduct combat directly against the enemy. They will do that from whatever range is appropriate for the situation...which for the F-35s and F/A-18s can mean ranges that extend to getting right up in their face.

The Hawkeyes are never meant to get that close to combat. They are very expensive AEW&C aircraft that give friendly forces a huge advantage in terms of knowing where the enemy is, what sensors they are employing, and the ability to jam and overpower the enemy sensors when they can. They can also use cooperative engagement to control friendly aircraft weapons where possible, so the friendly aircraft need not radiate their sensors and reveal their exact position. But they are going to do all of that set well back and away from the battle space by many miles...whether that battle space is right around the carrier, or hundreds of miles away at the edge of the developing battle space.

Enemy forces are going to try and find and penetrate to the Hawkeyes precisely because of the advantage they bring to the battle space and Hawkeyes will be strongly defended to keep that from happening.

So, the Hawkeye will operate over the carrier, along threat axis away from the carrier, and in conjunction with strike packages well away from the carrier in support of friendly fighters, strike and attack aircraft.
 
Jura, F-35s, F/A-18s, and the UCAVs will definitely fly "into harm's way," ...

:) while asking that dumb question, I was unaware of Brumby's link
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which for example says
The heart of the new plan is a concept known as Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air—or NIFC-CA (pronounced: nif-kah).

The central tenets behind NIFC-CA are situational awareness and extended-range cooperative targeting.
 

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