F-22 Raptor Thread
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Now that is a good looking airplane, leading edge slats fully deployed, so high angle of attack and differential aileron to "un-roll" that bank,,, it may not be generally recognized on SDF, but once you go past a certain "bank angle", opposite aileron is required to prevent "over-banking",,, obviously he's around 100 to 105 degrees angle of bank and is calling it to a HALT!
and it may not be well known that it is physically and mentally draining to perform these types of "high G" maneuvers,,, pilots sweat a lot during this type of flying,, it may be almost as stressful as "real combat", and the "maneuvering", may actually be more aggressive than actual combat.
Yes, of course. ;-)
One hell of a compomise strike fighter, designed to operate under f-22 umbrella is certainly more capable!Just ask LM.
Only in your dreams little fella! I love the F-35, it will very shortly get a chance to kick some AZZ,,, I know you don't know what you saw at Paris,,,, it all looked so easy didn't it, from that throttle up vertical climb, to the square loop,, finishing off with the 360 degree pedal turn.. and its VERY STEALTHY, and connected.
So yeah, I do hope it has an F-22 escort, but hey,,, that's just the gravy on top of the fried chicken and mashed potatoes..
LockMart delivers real world, fully functional aircraft,,, C-130, U-2, (both still flying 50 years later, thank-you!), SR-71, F-22,,, and now the F-35, LOOK OUT, here she comes, flying off a Carrier near YOU!
so lets see, Australia, Japan, South Korea,,,,,huuuummhhh,, wonder who Trump's gonna sell it to next??? I just HOPE nobody tells him he "Can't" sell it to somebody?? so yeah, its NOT an F-22,,, but in a lot of ways its just as good, and in a lot more ways, its a whole lot better, specially when we can share them with all our friends!
Well, good 4th gen airshow performance, but with some features on one hand and some sluggishness on the other. While some people for some reason thought what it shall fly like an interstate truck(lol), it is impressive, but within envelope. More importantly, things which F-22 can and Su-57/J-20 will be able to do - it just can't.
It isn't very stealthy. Known requirements were quite lax, since even production F-32(!) managed to achieve necessary signature levels.
Stealthy it certainly is, but to a practical 5th gen Standart.
Ah, so history of JSF(strike aircraft with secondary anti air, which had to learn do everything in one hull to avoid several assembly lines) are my dreams. Okay!
Let's make it straight: JSF is cool in what it brings 5th gen to every US service branch, as well as to all allies to care about. Most of them get what they really want to in process.
But that's it.
LM really delivers. But in JSF it plans to deliver exactly what they were asked to deliver.
JSF is actually very maneuverable, and will in fact continue to improve as new blocks are completed and AOA limitations are rolled back to allow it to reach its full potential. The vertical climb illustrates that the F-135 makes a bunch of thrust,, that vertical climb is "off the bottom, at very low airspeed,,, throttle up into full burner basically causes it to "lift off" like an Apollo moonshot,,, not a very fast pass where you trade energy for altitude? its amazing..
So as of now, the F-35 likely has a higher thrust to weight ration than either SU-57 or J-20,,, as they get their engine upgrades, that will change, maybe???
and with their present engines, they will likely be kinda limited to fighting in the lower to mid-levels like the F-35, not up in the nether regions like the F-22 and Typhoon, and possibly Rafale, my point here is that JSF will not operate in the rarified air where the F-22 will, but then at present, neither will the near peers it might face....
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LOL bro great sales pitch
somewhere on this page you've mentioned the square loop, I was glad to see it as until then I had thought F-35 was a flying brick LOL
Jun 19, 2017
oops that image-hosting server is gone, I believe I posted this picture back then:
No, even the current F-35A is significantly below current Su-57(which essentially is a development aircraft). Furthermore, latter is the most effecient user of available power. Both aerodynamics and vectored thrust cicks in.
It was your average zoom climb, which is obviously impressive from the ground. Even goddamn empty b-787 can perform quite a simillar feat.
All modern fighters can do the same, most of them better actually, thanks to faster acceleration after take off.
F-35 actually had extremely impressive moments(stall, control authority), but they are less "flashy"
Thanks for posting, you will all notice how "SLO" and "LO" energy he is, lots of hard maneuvering off the bottom of the envelope, with generous application of "Full Burner", so it is a very "tractable" airplane,,, I could fly that demo, and very powerful....LOL bro great sales pitch
somewhere on this page you've mentioned the square loop, I was glad to see it as until then I had thought F-35 was a flying brick LOL
Jun 19, 2017
oops that image-hosting server is gone, I believe I posted this picture back then:
the danger here for the un-initiated is that you might think its a "flying brik", its all very low drama, big deal? looking?? until you realize, WOW! all that "yanking it around" with the airspeed "just off the peg"!
My point is that in most demo flights when you see a big vertical move, it usually comes at the end a very high speed, high energy pull up, that's kinda cheating, and trading "airspeed for altitude",, none of that here, its all "Raw Power", off the bottom of the scale...
I will point out that this is just one of the factory "test pilots", he's a very good pilot, but unlike Col. Max Moga, (lad who flew the first "Raptor Demo's"), he was "Captain Moga" back then, the factory guy, overpitches each maneuver for dramatic emphasis,,,, you'll each be able to note a "bobble" after each of the square corners of the loop, where he overpitches and literally slide's the aircraft through the corner, then a quick "depitch" to stop the overpitching.
somebody who was on the airshow circuit would be much more "Crisp" when he pulled to the vertical,,, don't get me wrong, this guy is "very good", but he lacks the "crispy" precision that our boy Max would deliver,,,,, by the Way Max is Now commanding an F-35 Training Squadron,,, so we may see Max wring out the "ThunderHoggeII" in an airshow at some point, and I for one, would give a full "Benjamin" to se Max fly a Demo in the F-35A,,,,,
then we would KNOW what it will do???