European Economics Thread

luminary

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First they went after NVIDIA, now they go after Huawei.

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  • The firm was searched on suspicion of ‘atteinte à la probité’, a term that could include corruption or misuse of public funds, among other crimes
  • Huawei has research centres in France and is currently building its first production factory outside China in a town near Strasbourg
 

zbb

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Electricity demand in the European Union declined for the second consecutive year in 2023, even though energy prices fell from record highs. Following a 3.1% drop in 2022, the 3.2% year-on-year decline in EU demand in 2023 meant that it dropped to levels last seen two decades ago. As in 2022, weaker consumption in the industrial sector was the main factor that reduced electricity demand, as energy prices came down but remained above pre-pandemic levels. In 2023, there were also signs of some permanent demand destruction, especially in the energy-intensive chemical and primary metal production sectors. These segments will remain vulnerable to energy price shocks over our outlook period.

EU electricity consumption is not expected to return to 2021 levels until 2026 at the earliest. Electricity demand in the European Union’s industrial sector fell by an estimated 6% in 2023 after a similar decline in 2022. Assuming the industrial sector gradually recovers as energy prices moderate, EU electricity demand growth is forecast to rise by an average 2.3% in 2024-26. Electric vehicles, heat pumps and data centres will remain strong pillars of growth over the period – together accounting for half of expected gains in total demand.
 

gelgoog

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The price is kind of immaterial. There is just not enough gas supply for heavy industry to run in Europe like it used to. If they tried to turn it back in prices would spike and you would get shortages with rolling blackouts. This is permanent demand destruction and de-industrialization.
The answer needs to be a massive investment in new energy supplies over the next decade. Nuclear, renewables, coal, whatever. But there is basically no credible concrete plan for this in the EU. Just half measures.
 

tphuang

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They still have some influence.

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That is whatever. If basf sells its asset for the cheap to Chinese player, that’s a win for China. These China hawks keep thinking that China depends on western investment, when in reality China would love nothing more than getting ownership of all these assets and making 100% of profit
 

gelgoog

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Two decades of basically German stagnation. What did these people expect really?
I find it amusing how they moan about Chinese EVs when most EVs sold in Europe are still made by Tesla. This is typical Europoor behavior. Deflecting from criticizing Big Boss.
 
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