European Economics Thread

Randomuser

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Not that long ago, Germany was supposed to be the ideal and showing how things should be done.

And yet somehow they are now getting screwed worse than almost everyone. Shows how fast things can change.
 

Overbom

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Not that long ago, Germany was supposed to be the ideal and showing how things should be done.

And yet somehow they are now getting screwed worse than almost everyone. Shows how fast things can change.
National security is what enables a country to prosper. A country with no national security will soon find itself "harvested".

US allowed Germany to get "fat" in good times. Now that bad times have come to the US (China challenging it), the fat sheep needs to be slaughtered for the US to absorb its nutrients.

This is merely the beginning. US isn't only harvesting Germany but actually the entire EU. That's the fun part about being a US "ally".
 

Serb

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Real wages movement 2019-2023. The US domination over vassals.
 
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Serb

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If the US allowed the euro to internationalize more to its natural potential (they keep it down always so the dollar is way above, so they could print more themselves and prop their own economy first at their expense), then maybe Greece and others below wouldn't have suffered so much and met these present-day crises better. The EU central bank could've simply printed more and given it to their governments to boost their economies, in the past decade, but it's too late now. If the EU was a true independent pole, something like this wouldn't have happened, but they are owned by the US.



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gelgoog

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The German economy is in a perfect storm. They have higher energy prices because of their bans on Russian energy imports. Their agriculture has higher input costs because of their bans on Russian and Belarussian fertilizer, plus the bans on Russian energy imports. They lost a huge car export market when they stopped selling to Russia. For that reason they switched places with China as a world car exporter. They have higher interest rates which depress consumption. And their car industry is losing the race to ramp up modern EV production. At the same time the government will have to increase defense spending. And because they seem to be on a rush a lot of this will be done with weapons imports from the US instead of own production.

Machine tools exports to Russia have collapsed because of their sanctions. And China increasingly makes its own machine tools so it is ceasing to be an export market.

The transport aircraft industry is more positive. The trouble with Boeing and the 737MAX mean higher demand for the A320NEO. But at the same time they won't be selling aircraft to Russia anymore, and China is starting to produce the C919. So in the long run they will likely lose these markets for good. Thankfully the Indian market is starting to perk up.

The software and hardware industry in Europe is an unmitigated disaster of course because of constant sabotage by US tech companies which isn't properly protected by the EU Commission like it should have been. Even if you make a successful software company, the huge market capitalization of US companies thanks to their inflated stock market means you will likely be bought out and the jobs will be moved somewhere else. European consumer electronics brands have been dead for like three decades. Without consumer electronics you cannot sustain a mass market semiconductor market.
 
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