Espionage involving China

manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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Ringsword said:
Could these former F35 pilots willing to train PLAAF pilots actually be CIA penetration agents sent into China with real credentials to see/fly/examine J20's/J35's and report back/debriefed by CIA/DIA/USAF after they're "arrested" when they return to USA????
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Do you think they would arrest and publish him if he was a penetration agent?

That said, this must be a possibility in China's mind when these people present themselves. Use what they say knowing that it could be true or false, give them tests from time to time based on information you have gleaned and know to be true to see whether what they say matches, ask them questions, do not allow them questions, don't get relaxed and reveal anything. If something's off, either kill the guy discreetly or send him back with disinformation about your operations so he can feed that to his handlers.
 
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no_name

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Ringsword said:
Could these former F35 pilots willing to train PLAAF pilots actually be CIA penetration agents sent into China with real credentials to see/fly/examine J20's/J35's and report back/debriefed by CIA/DIA/USAF after they're "arrested" when they return to USA????
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More likely they are just people with usable knowledge falling on hard times after leaving the forces, like those homeless army veterans that the US ditches after their return from war tours.

The US with the capitalist corporal mindset is notoriously bad with follow throughs and tying loose ends, and China does capitalize on that.
 
siegecrossbow

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no_name said:
More likely they are just people with usable knowledge falling on hard times after leaving the forces, like those homeless army veterans that the US ditches after their return from war tours.

The US with the capitalist corporal mindset is notoriously bad with follow throughs and tying loose ends, and China does capitalize on that.
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At least in this case I don’t think so. The guy just loved flying/training fighter pilots a lot. When he can’t do it in the U.S. he just had to do it somewhere else.

However, it is only a matter of time before legit ideological defections happen. The longer they don’t address the systemic rot perpetuated by the Epstein class, the worse things will get.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
Do you think they would arrest and publish him if he was a penetration agent?

That said, this must be a possibility in China's mind when these people present themselves. Use what they say knowing that it could be true or false, give them tests from time to time based on information you have gleaned and know to be true to see whether what they say matches, ask them questions, do not allow them questions, don't get relaxed and reveal anything. If something's off, either kill the guy discreetly or send him back with disinformation about your operations so he can feed that to his handlers.
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Yes,I think they/CIA would arrest and publish their names as it would give an aura of legitimacy to their little tour in China and all of his willing information to "help the PLAAF" for a few dollars and after debriefing it would be easy,easy task to give this guy a new name,new ID and a million bucks to be someone else for the rest of their lives.The existence of the J20 and all of its advanced iterations -leading avvionics,PL15 etc missiles must be driving the US mad with eager curiosity to say the least.
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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Ringsword said:
Yes,I think they/CIA would arrest and publish their names as it would give an aura of legitimacy to their little tour in China and all of his willing information to "help the PLAAF" for a few dollars and after debriefing it would be easy,easy task to give this guy a new name,new ID and a million bucks to be someone else for the rest of their lives.The existence of the J20 and all of its advanced iterations -leading avvionics,PL15 etc missiles must be driving the US mad with eager curiosity to say the least.
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The upside might be some false legitimacy, even though that might still be considered by the enemy, but the downside is that it would warn the enemy that the US now knows what was revealed during him time there, which is a major disadvantage because if he were a double agent, then all the info that he was feeding would have to be setups.

There is very little point in this discussion from our perspective. It is literally an endless exercise in, "Do we know? Do they know we know? Do we know they know we know? Do they know we know they know we know?"
 
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Ringsword

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manqiangrexue said:
The upside might be some false legitimacy, even though that might still be considered by the enemy, but the downside is that it would warn the enemy that the US now knows what was revealed during him time there, which is a major disadvantage because if he were a double agent, then all the info that he was feeding would have to be setups.

There is very little point in this discussion from our perspective. It is literally an endless exercise in, "Do we know? Do they know we know? Do we know they know we know? Do they know we know they know we know?"
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I've obviously been reading too many spy novels/military fiction but it is a very dangerous game-and China can't be too careful.
 
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A hacker has allegedly breached one of China’s supercomputers and is attempting to sell a trove of stolen data

A hacker has allegedly stolen a massive trove of sensitive data – including highly classified defense documents and missile schematics – from a state-run Chinese supercomputer in what could potentially constitute the largest known heist of data from China.

The dataset, which allegedly contains more than 10 petabytes of sensitive information, is believed by experts to have been obtained from the National Supercomputing Center (NSCC) in Tianjin – a centralized hub that provides infrastructure services for more than 6,000 clients across China, including advanced science and defense agencies.

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CNN cannot verify the origins of the alleged dataset and the claims made by FlamingChina, but spoke with multiple experts whose initial assessment of the leak indicated it was genuine.
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I'm inclined to think this was really just NSA or a private contractor that works for them. They'll want to use this as leverage over China for any negotiations surrounding Trump's visit to China (and Xi's visit to the US). Rather than to negotiate over it, I imagine it would be better for China to simply ramp up any leverage they have over the US in response.
 
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I'm inclined to think this was really just NSA or a private contractor that works for them. They'll want to use this as leverage over China for any negotiations surrounding Trump's visit to China (and Xi's visit to the US). Rather than to negotiate over it, I imagine it would be better for China to simply ramp up any leverage they have over the US in response.
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why would they need leverage over china for a visit?
 
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