Espionage involving China

Much more info on the latest spying cases. Hundreds of Liaoning photos!!
Source:
---------------------------------------------------------------

Four employees of a defense industry company in Southwest China's Sichuan province have been arrested on suspicion of spying and selling confidential information on state-of-art weapons to overseas intelligence agencies, reported a local newspaper on Wednesday.
It is the first time in almost a decade that the national security authorities in the province have made public an espionage case.
One suspect surnamed Wen, who was born in the 1990s and worked at a workshop of the company, was approached by an Internet user using alias "H" with a part-time job offer.
"H" claimed that he was a foreign newspaper journalist and offered Wen 3,200 yuan ($534) per month in exchange for access to restricted data at his work.
Wen provided him classified information, such as model number, monthly output and special materials of military products.
A second suspect surnamed Wang, also born in the 1990s and working at the technical department of the company, encountered "H" when he was surfing the Internet in an effort to find a part-time job to earn extra money. He provided confidential information on modeling, sample number, experimental time of military products at monthly earnings of 3,000-4,000 yuan.
A third suspect surnamed Wu, who has worked at the company for nearly 10 years, was reached by email from a "headhunter" after he posted his CV on a job-hunting website saying he had experience in a national defense military company.
The "head-hunting company" asked Wu to provide information related to his work as proof. He was informed that he had been hired after he sent them the proof.
The new job required Wu to disclose classified military information in exchange for 500,000 to 1.2 million yuan a year which tempted Wu who thought some foreign spy organizations was making the offer.
Pretending to be aerospace enthusiasts is another disguise foreign spies use to contact people who work with classified information.
Foreign agents claimed that their company was carrying out a market research as it wanted to enter the aerospace and aviation field. They asked one suspect's help to provide them data from periodicals, magazines and papers that was restricted or classified.
The suspect, who was employed for a national defense military technology department, recommended his colleague to the agents as he was unable to get his hands on the data. His colleague was compromised and became an accomplice.
It has been reported that not only the core technology staff of national defense military industry but anyone could be used as a spy to undermine national security, especially at a time when China's military industry is growing.
Veterans, students with overseas education background, college teachers and students, military enthusiasts and employees of the military industry and government departments are prone to become targets of overseas intelligent agents recruiting for espionage works, said security organs.
The national security agency warned that foreign intelligence agents have shown an increasing tendency to recruit young Internet users to collect military intelligence.
A 37-year-old taxi driver from Kaifeng, Henan province, has been arrested on suspicion of spying and selling confidential military information to overseas intelligence agencies, local news reports said in March.
A court in Dalian, Liaoning province, recently jailed two men for selling military secrets, including hundreds of photos of the Liaoning aircraft carrier to foreign spies, local newspaper Dalian Daily reported in March.
According to China's National Security Law, a citizen should report to security organs immediately after realizing that they may have unknowingly conducted espionage for overseas intelligent agencies. Under such circumstances, the individual may not be prosecuted if they bring the activity to an immediate halt and demonstrate repentance for their actions.
-Chinadaily

Dannhill said:

Much more info on the latest spying cases. Hundreds of Liaoning photos!!
Source:

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

---------------------------------------------------------------

Four employees of a defense industry company in Southwest China's Sichuan province have been arrested on suspicion of spying and selling confidential information on state-of-art weapons to overseas intelligence agencies, reported a local newspaper on Wednesday.
It is the first time in almost a decade that the national security authorities in the province have made public an espionage case.
One suspect surnamed Wen, who was born in the 1990s and worked at a workshop of the company, was approached by an Internet user using alias "H" with a part-time job offer.
"H" claimed that he was a foreign newspaper journalist and offered Wen 3,200 yuan ($534) per month in exchange for access to restricted data at his work.
Wen provided him classified information, such as model number, monthly output and special materials of military products.
A second suspect surnamed Wang, also born in the 1990s and working at the technical department of the company, encountered "H" when he was surfing the Internet in an effort to find a part-time job to earn extra money. He provided confidential information on modeling, sample number, experimental time of military products at monthly earnings of 3,000-4,000 yuan.
A third suspect surnamed Wu, who has worked at the company for nearly 10 years, was reached by email from a "headhunter" after he posted his CV on a job-hunting website saying he had experience in a national defense military company.
The "head-hunting company" asked Wu to provide information related to his work as proof. He was informed that he had been hired after he sent them the proof.
The new job required Wu to disclose classified military information in exchange for 500,000 to 1.2 million yuan a year which tempted Wu who thought some foreign spy organizations was making the offer.
Pretending to be aerospace enthusiasts is another disguise foreign spies use to contact people who work with classified information.
Foreign agents claimed that their company was carrying out a market research as it wanted to enter the aerospace and aviation field. They asked one suspect's help to provide them data from periodicals, magazines and papers that was restricted or classified.
The suspect, who was employed for a national defense military technology department, recommended his colleague to the agents as he was unable to get his hands on the data. His colleague was compromised and became an accomplice.
It has been reported that not only the core technology staff of national defense military industry but anyone could be used as a spy to undermine national security, especially at a time when China's military industry is growing.
Veterans, students with overseas education background, college teachers and students, military enthusiasts and employees of the military industry and government departments are prone to become targets of overseas intelligent agents recruiting for espionage works, said security organs.
The national security agency warned that foreign intelligence agents have shown an increasing tendency to recruit young Internet users to collect military intelligence.
A 37-year-old taxi driver from Kaifeng, Henan province, has been arrested on suspicion of spying and selling confidential military information to overseas intelligence agencies, local news reports said in March.
A court in Dalian, Liaoning province, recently jailed two men for selling military secrets, including hundreds of photos of the Liaoning aircraft carrier to foreign spies, local newspaper Dalian Daily reported in March.
According to China's National Security Law, a citizen should report to security organs immediately after realizing that they may have unknowingly conducted espionage for overseas intelligent agencies. Under such circumstances, the individual may not be prosecuted if they bring the activity to an immediate halt and demonstrate repentance for their actions.
-Chinadaily

Click to expand...

Might be Pinkov or David Axe's lackey.

siegecrossbow said:

Might be Pinkov or David Axe's lackey.

Click to expand...

Don't David Axe will be bailing them out of jail soon either.

A new memoir by Dalai Lama's older brother reveals interesting information about some past intelligence operations against China.

The Dalai Lama’s older brother deeply regrets accepting CIA aid. It ‘contributed to the complete destruction of Tibetan culture.’
By MICHAEL FATHERS



‘The Noodle Maker of Kalimpong” is a fatuous and demeaning title for a fascinating and important book. Gyalo Thondup is the Dalai Lama’s older brother and former chief of staff. His life and work have been largely carried out in the shadows, but his book provides extraordinary insight into Tibet’s struggle against China to regain its independence.

In 1945, when he was 17, Mr. Thondup was sent from Tibet to China to be educated for his role as his brother’s chief adviser on temporal matters. The Dalai Lama’s guardian believed that the Chinese would have a growing influence on Tibet, then independent, and that it was essential to know how to deal with them.

The Chinese Nationalist leader Chiang Kai-shek appointed himself the young Tibetan’s guardian and patron, paid him a substantial allowance, and urged him to study Chinese history at Nanjing University. According to the author, Chiang Kai-shek said that if Tibet preferred to remain an independent nation “without foreign exploitation,” he was prepared to accept it. Tibet was China’s back door, he said, and the two countries would always have close ties.

The Communist victory in 1949 ended Mr. Thondup’s life in China. A year later the People’s Liberation Army invaded Tibet. Married to the daughter of a general in the defeated Nationalist army, Mr. Thondup made his way from Hong Kong to India, where his life as a diplomatic go-between began. To support themselves, he and his wife bought land on the outskirts of Kalimpong, close to a major border crossing into Tibet, and a noodle factory, hence the title of the book.

There are few heroes, Tibetan or foreign, in Mr. Thondup’s narrative of the decades that followed. The villains include not only China’s Communist rulers and greedy Tibetan aristocrats—who were only too happy to accept titles and well-paid jobs from the Chinese occupiers—but also Western secret intelligence services. The book reveals a catalog of lost opportunities to open a dialogue between the Tibetan government in exile in India and Beijing in search of a settlement that would allow the Dalai Lama to return home and provide Tibet with a degree of self-government. In each case the overtures were sabotaged by the CIA or India’s intelligence service, or they were brushed aside by Britain’s MI6. The British were concerned for the security of their Hong Kong colony and suggested that the Tibetans look to the Americans for military and political support.

In 1954, the CIA made its first contact with Mr. Thondup in Kalimpong. Two years later, six Tibetan youths slipped across the Indian border into what was then East Pakistan, now Bangladesh. They were met by Pakistani and American officials and flown in an unmarked aircraft to U.S.-occupied Saipan island for military training. After basic training they were parachuted back into Tibet. This first group achieved little. Subsequent U.S. military support was meager, and its impact on the rebellion against the Chinese military occupation was marginal. On the Chinese side, however, U.S. support led to ever greater violence against Tibetans.

In 1968, in New Delhi, Mr. Thondup was ushered into Russian company by T.N. Kaul, the head of India’s foreign ministry and an ex-ambassador to Moscow. He was told that the Americans were preparing to ditch the Tibetan resistance. Two Soviet agents who had flown from Moscow to India revealed that secret talks between Beijing and Washington were taking place in Poland. The Chinese were demanding two preconditions for detente: The U.S. must sever diplomatic relations with Taiwan; and it must terminate all contact with and assistance to Tibetan groups under the leadership of the Dalai Lama.

The Russians offered to take over the U.S. role and said that they would deliver “real results,” setting up a headquarters in Tashkent where Tibetan insurgents would be trained and armed. Their offer was rejected when they refused to drop their support for China at United Nations voting on Tibet. The decision also took into account the growing tension between Moscow and Beijing and the violent impetus that Soviet military support might give to Chinese repression in Tibet.

In a painful assessment of the U.S. role in Tibet, Mr. Thondup writes that he genuinely believed the Americans wanted to help Tibetans fight for their independence. Eventually, he said, “I realized this was not true. . . . They just wanted to stir up trouble, using Tibetans to create misunderstandings and discord between [communist] China and [nonaligned] India.” They were successful in that, he notes, pointing to the 1962 border war between the two Asian giants.

Henry Kissinger in particular is seen as no friend of Tibet as he sought to open relations with China in the early 1970s. He accepted the Chinese Communist Party view that Tibet was an integral part of China and that the Dalai Lama was merely the head of a Buddhist sect rather than the leader of a nation. Neither President Nixon nor Mr. Kissinger “knew anything about Tibet,” Mr. Thondup writes. “Neither of them cared.” The consequences of accepting CIA military aid and training still cause Mr. Thondup “terrible pain.” It provoked the Chinese, he says, and led directly to massive reprisals against Tibetans in which tens of thousands were killed. It “contributed to the complete destruction of Tibetan culture.”

The book’s co-author, Anne F. Thurston, has turned what were probably notes and memories into a crisp and magnetic story. The strength of this memoir is the pictures it paints of an old, traditional, medieval Tibet, of squabbles among exiles over finance, of the perfidy of Tibet’s Western supporters, and of the barbarism of the Chinese military. In today’s reformist China, Beijing’s grip on Tibet has tightened. But Mr. Thondup is convinced that Tibetans and, in some form, their culture will survive and that, eventually, China’s rulers will have to treat Tibetans as equals.

shen said:

A new memoir by Dalai Lama's older brother reveals interesting information about some past intelligence operations against China.

The Dalai Lama’s older brother deeply regrets accepting CIA aid. It ‘contributed to the complete destruction of Tibetan culture.’
By MICHAEL FATHERS

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

The book reveals a catalog of lost opportunities to open a dialogue between the Tibetan government in exile in India and Beijing in search of a settlement that would allow the Dalai Lama to return home and provide Tibet with a degree of self-government. In each case the overtures were sabotaged by the CIA or India’s intelligence service, or they were brushed aside by Britain’s MI6.

Click to expand...

I think this is a very significant revelation, and would go a long way towards explaining why China treats the Dalai Lama with such suspicion and contempt - that they tried treating him fairly before, but were repaid with treachery.

On the other hand, if China were willing to accept the claim about deliberate sabotage by 3rd party intelligence agencies, that could potentially allow some burnt bridges to be re-built with the Dalai Lama, and a deal make.

However, I think after all that history, it will take a huge gesture, and a massive leap of faith by one or both sides to get the ball rolling, and neither are as yet ready to do that.

Indeed, the Dalai Lama may not even be able to that, as the second he looks like he is ready to make such a move, western intelligence and their friends and allies in the media will destroy his credibility and probably push some of the more radical elements of Tibetan separatists to cause unrest or stage attacks in China, maybe going as far as to engineer his downfall and replacement as the head of the Tibetan exiles.

In a painful assessment of the U.S. role in Tibet, Mr. Thondup writes that he genuinely believed the Americans wanted to help Tibetans fight for their independence. Eventually, he said, “I realized this was not true. . . . They just wanted to stir up trouble, using Tibetans to create misunderstandings and discord between [communist] China and [nonaligned] India.” They were successful in that, he notes, pointing to the 1962 border war between the two Asian giants.

Click to expand...

As it was then, so it is now, and thus shall it always be.

Anyone who believes foreign intelligence agencies care about their cause or are involved in their struggle simply to help them are delusional and stupid.

The only reason foreign intelligence would expand the resources to help someone is because doing so helps advance the goals of whichever country those agencies belong to.

Usually, it is better to shun the offer of help of foreign intelligence agencies rather than let them use you and own you, as almost always, after you have served your purpose, they will simply abandon you, or sell you out if that serves them better.

The only time anyone should accept the help of foreign intelligence is if you are trying to play them as much as they are trying to play you. Use them as a tool, leverage everything you can from them, but never ever trust them or come to rely on them, and make sure you betray them before they get the chance to do that to you.

It's about time that one of the 2 main players (there's the other brother) spoke up and told the truth. The fighting was not just one-sided as many Chinese soldiers and civilians were also killed in the early period of the rebellion.
With his point that US didn't offer much aid I have to disagree as other references pointed otherwise. Looks like he is still trying to whitewash some facts for whatever reasons.

Dannhill said:

It's about time that one of the 2 main players (there's the other brother) spoke up and told the truth. The fighting was not just one-sided as many Chinese soldiers and civilians were also killed in the early period of the rebellion.
With his point that US didn't offer much aid I have to disagree as other references pointed otherwise. Looks like he is still trying to whitewash some facts for whatever reasons.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Click to expand...

Only had a very brief look at some of it, but seems like it contains a health amount of BS and propaganda when it comes to describing things on the ground inside Tibet.

It is doubly ironic since that historynet article starts by acknowledging the Shangri-La factory, but soon fell victim to it itself.

They are taking the accounts of people with extremely strong motivations to twist the truth, if not downright lie, as the unvarnished truth.

They don't even bother to highlight. never mind investigate glaring inconsistencies and holes in that very dubious version of events.

For example, the resistance fighters told of the active support they got from locals of their successes with relish, yet somehow everyone killed my Chinese troops happened to be an innocent civilian or monk?

The PLA are not stupid or senselessly ruthless as the west loves to portray them, they would never have unified China and stamped out all attempts at guerrilla warfare by the likes of the nationalists, Tibetans and others had they been the over-the-top cartoon villains so portrayed.

The PLA knows guerrilla and insurgency warfare like few others, both on how to wage it and how to counter it.

You need a certain degree of ruthlessness to win against an insurgency enemy, that's just a fact of life. But the fundamental key principle to winning against insurgents is not to fall for their bait and take out your frustrations on innocents, as is how insurgencies grow.

If anything, the PLA would have suffered a lot of its casualties because of its very strict ROEs.

The only way the Tibetan resistance could have achieved the kinds of significant victories they boasted of, without it all being fabrications, is if they exploited the PLA's ROEs and either hid amongst civilians to attack garrisons from inside their keeps, and/or used civilians as human shields etc.

These are not rank amateurs the Tibetan resistance are supposed to be beating, but a battle hardened army at the peak of its powers, who resisted the Japanese, defeated the nationalists, and fought the combined might of the UN to a standstill in Korea.

A couple hundred insurgents with minimal or no heavy weapons does not engage many times their number of a such military force in a stand up fight and win, never mind inflict such heavy casualties with such minimal losses of their own unless said military were massively pulling their punches on account of civilians being in the way.

The Tibetan resistance's spectacular and total collapse not long after probably happened as soon as the PLA high command decided most if not all of the "civilians" involved in such attacks were willing and active participants rather than innocent bystanders, and adjusted the PLA's ROEs accordingly.

Dannhill said:

It's about time that one of the 2 main players (there's the other brother) spoke up and told the truth. The fighting was not just one-sided as many Chinese soldiers and civilians were also killed in the early period of the rebellion.
With his point that US didn't offer much aid I have to disagree as other references pointed otherwise. Looks like he is still trying to whitewash some facts for whatever reasons.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Click to expand...

I just read the historynet article, saving the pdf for later, but from the article it is clear that the Americans concerned looked at the map of Tibet without realizing how immensely large are the distances involved. No amount of support from however many Tibetans would have been able to compensate for the geographical advantages of the PLA, which as plawolf rightly remarks, wasn't a bunch of amateurs. Many Tibetans are likely to have seen that and would not have joined the CIA sponsored insurrection.

It's interesting to compare the security situations in Tibet compared to Xinjiang. Both regions suffered from an armed separatist movement, both are supported by a large extra-territorial population, but the modern security situation in Tibet is much better than that of Xinjiang.

The Tibet insurgency was supported by the CIA, while the Xinjiang Uighur insurgency was supported by the USSR. The USSR were obviously able to supply and train a lot more insurgents than the CIA, and they were able to base the insurgency out of USSR-friendly countries, as opposed to the CIA who was forced to deal with Nepal. Of course, geography also makes a huge difference, as it is much easier to man a few accessible passes in a mountainous region than to mine a gigantic stretch of desert border.

plawolf said:

As it was then, so it is now, and thus shall it always be.
Anyone who believes foreign intelligence agencies care about their cause or are involved in their struggle simply to help them are delusional and stupid.
The only reason foreign intelligence would expand the resources to help someone is because doing so helps advance the goals of whichever country those agencies belong to.

Click to expand...

Correct.

China does not care about the Tibetan cause and the USA does not care about the Tibetan cause.