engineering thread...for engineers

ordinary dude

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In the US, good grades get u into university, good SAT and grades gets you scholarships. good PSAT gets you FREE money from the federal government.

But if your dad is willing to donate 2 million a year for you to attend Harvard, then you can attend regardless of your grades.....how do you think G.W.Bush got into Yale and later got a MBA from Harvard.

ps...on of Osama's brother is doing law school at harvard,,,,,,the Saudi Bin Laden family donates millions every year to Harvard.
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
i'm not suprised, everything need money. if harvard can produce thousands of extremely smart people every year, they won't care if they trade one bad grad for a free lab building or something. it's certainly worth it.

anyone took dynamic process control before??? I HATE THAT COURSE!!!! argh.. engineering ruined my life. <--- official logo of the UofA engineering faculty.
 

crazyinsane105

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Gollevainen said:
So in USA the rich ones get to go in every university which they want and poor people have to take test to proove that they are good enough? Please tell me i'm wrong in here :confused: :confused:

Not exactly. Both the rich and the poor have to take the standarized test. I know myself of some very rich kids who scored OK on the test yet they still didn't get into the school of their choice. I also know of some poor kids who scored excellent and got into one of the best universities this country has to offer. The standarized tests do not discriminate between rich and poor. If you are rich yet you don't take the standarized tests, you won't get into any school. It is a MUST to get good scores to get into the top universities here regardless of income, race, gender, etc.
 

vincelee

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the National Merit Scholarship is actually provided by corporations instead of the Goverment. Government gives Pell Grants.

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Fairthought

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Gollevainen,

You can do badly on a standardized exam, like the SAT, and still get into a prestigious school (Harvard, Stanford, Yale). A very big factor for admittance here is do you have any family in the alumni in the school in question? How important are these alumni members, ie. how much money do they donate?

Prestige schools tend to be extremely hard to get into regardless of your test scores (Last I checked, Yale has an acceptance rate of 5%). Connections are key.

But prestige schools are different from technical schools. It is much harder for a moron from a wealthy background to get into a technical school, such as MIT, where test scores take priority. Another category of American colleges are state schools, which give a higher priority to grades than to college entrance exams. Because state schools get state funding, so they are much cheaper than prestige schools or tech schools, and most American college grads are from state schools.

American colleges are expensive and most students (even state school students) graduate with significant student loans to repay.

Ideally, if you want to go to an american college, you'd apply for as many scholarships as possible, and look for a state school that has highly esteemed science and engineering departments. It is not unheard of for a state school to have engineering departments that rival technical schools, and of course there are technical schools that are very prestigious.


Of course, none of this matters until you compare the graduate schools. Undergrad isn't so different from college to college with the exception that technical schools tend to have cooler (more expensive) laboratory equipment for their science/engineer students to play with. On the other hand, technical schools tend to have crappy teachers who care more about publishing their own research than if their students learn anything.

It is in the graduate program where technical schools really shine, as these are primarily research institutes anyway. Providing diplomas is their secondary function.
 

sumdud

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Fairthought said:
On the other hand, technical schools tend to have crappy teachers who care more about publishing their own research than if their students learn anything.
Also true in some state schools.
In California, we have two fully independent but public university systems:
University of California and
California State University.
While UC is considered better, and is highly ranked (throughout the world) the professors cannot teach. In fact, the job of teacher in UC is not cared at all in UC.
But in CSU, however, professors are required to be able to teach.
 

swimmerXC

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Fairthought said:
Prestige schools tend to be extremely hard to get into regardless of your test scores (Last I checked, Yale has an acceptance rate of 5%). Connections are key.

Can anyone say Bush?? :roll:
He did get into Harvard and Yale..... with connections; I'm 110% it was not his "genius" skill that got into Yale... w/o connections he would of gone to ITT Tech :coffee:
NOTE: this is not a insultment to anybody... just pointing something out
 

walter

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swimmerXC said:
Can anyone say Bush?? :roll:
He did get into Harvard and Yale..... with connections; I'm 110% it was not his "genius" skill that got into Yale... w/o connections he would of gone to ITT Tech :coffee:
NOTE: this is not a insultment to anybody... just pointing something out

I think you insulted Bush.
 
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