Dreadnaught (Texas) vs. Most Modern (Iowa) Battleships

thunderchief

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Lezt said:
What strikes me is that, the Axis are really bad at sharing their technologies. Can you imagine how dangerous a flotilla S-boat steaming at 48 knots, armed with long lances and possibly beam riding guided (the frit X control system) V1 missile/Ohka missile?
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Long Lance needs oxygen installations . For that particular reason it was impractical even on submarines, they created less capable Type 95 torpedoes for those . As for V1/Okha , they could not be launched from torpedo boats, especially Okha . V1 needed catapult for launch from ground ramps . Rocket technology (propellant technology) was not sufficiently advanced at that time to create missiles like later P-15, able to be launched from smaller vessels .
 
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thunderchief said:
Long Lance needs oxygen installations . For that particular reason it was impractical even on submarines, they created less capable Type 95 torpedoes for those . As for V1/Okha , they could not be launched from torpedo boats, especially Okha . V1 needed catapult for launch from ground ramps . Rocket technology (propellant technology) was not sufficiently advanced at that time to create missiles like later P-15, able to be launched from smaller vessels .
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S-boats are FAC, not subs and they runs on the surface at 45-48 knots. i.e. 80 km+; thus oxygen is not an issue.

Ohka are designed to be launched from ground bases or submarine catapults; V1 launch speed are 580 km/hr. I am not sure about ww2 rocket technology being insufficient. the Japanese Type 4 Mark 1 Model 20 rocket motors Solid propellant where 3X was used in the ohka produced 2.6 kn each or 587 lbf, for a minute. JATO/RATO rockets used to launch hurricane fighters to intercept german maritime patrol aircraft; well were sucessful in launching a full fighter. JATO/RATO was 1000lbf for 12 seconds, thus, i am inclined to believe that the okha or V1 can be launched on a S-boat. it only have to fly... 20 sth km to be effective

edit/ the JATOs are pretty small, are is a pair of launch rail on a 100 ton boat too much?:
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Jeff Head

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Jura said:
Let me challenge you: It's September 18, 1917. The visibility is perfect. I lead the Austro-Hungarian Battleship Division from my flagship, the Viribus Unitis, and have the Tegetthoff, the Prinz Eugen, and a screen with me. I'm in the middle of the Adriatic Sea, steaming South, to encounter yet unidentified enemy Squadron which is composed of at least one Battleship, the USN Texas.
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Well yea. That's a heck of a setup for the Austro-Hungarians there, Jura.

One on three.

If I were in the Texas and alone with two cruisers and two destroys screening me, and saw three battleships and their larger screen coming at me, I would not engage.

However, in this instance, you relish the coming fight as the USS Texas decides to steam directly toward you to engage. Then, as your first salvos land near her, she breaks hard right.

You keep firing, turning to pursue.

But then a few minutes later once you are committed...to your surprise...you find that the USS Pennsylvania, the HMS Canada, and the HMS Revenge were trailing the USS Texas by 10 miles and, since their float planes have told them that there are no other vessels beyond your division, are now cutting you off, maneuvering to engage you and your Division!

I'll leave it at that point ...hehehe.
 
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Jura The idiot

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Jeff Head said:
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However, in this instance, you relish the coming fight as the USS Texas decides to steam directly toward you to engage. Then, as your first salvos land near her, she breaks hard right.

You keep firing, turning to pursue.

But then a few minutes later once you are committed...to your surprise...
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common, I knew it wouldn't be easy; now I heard from both of my cruisers there's this battleship there which should've been in Chile for years, what's the name now, Canada, and yet another American battleship since cage masts were clearly seen, but what troubles me most are the huge splashes, 50 meters or so, this can only be from 15" shells which that ship fired from 23000 yards (and a German officer, whom I have within my staff, concurs, Kapitän zur See ... I call him Scratch :)

fine, they lost some time when the Texas was joining the line after she had turned East ... now I'm closer, 21000 yards, and see the ship with 15" guns is the leader ... it's one of the Revenge-class; I order to concentrate the fire on the leader, heck, it's 36 guns in my Squadron, the pride of the Imperial & Royal Navy ... hit! yes! one of the guns of the B turret on the Tegetthoff didn't fire at first (I don't know what's happened, need to talk to them about it), but a few seconds later the shot came out and obviously hit, as the funnel on the Revenge-class is damaged, clouds of smoke coming off it LOL!
(Do they deserve a promotion? the gun actually malfunctioned ... I'll think about it later)

the leader had to disengage, the Canada leads now, then the two Americans ... I'm now within their range, but hope they'll just protect the wounded ship and leave, they must know I wouldn't pursue ...
 
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FORBIN

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Jura said:
Let me challenge you: It's September 18, 1917. The visibility is perfect. I lead the Austro-Hungarian Battleship Division from my flagship, the Viribus Unitis, and have the Tegetthoff, the Prinz Eugen, and a screen with me. I'm in the middle of the Adriatic Sea, steaming South, to encounter yet unidentified enemy Squadron which is composed of at least one Battleship, the USN Texas. My tactics is going to be to take it parallel to them at 17 knots, and commence fire from 26000 yards: my 12" guns have superior range (above 27000 yards at 20 degrees of elevation) to both 14" of the Texas (it's 1917, so they can be elevated only to 15 degrees and have max. range of 21000 yards), and to 16" of the Queen Elizabeth-class (24300 yards, also at 15 degrees max., I think). My fire-control is probably inferior, and I need to start with large split to fork the target; if they maneuver too quickly, my range-clock might not show me what I need to know (LOL) but if I hit their 2" deck, I'll crack through it. If there's just one Battleship against me, I know about the Texas already, I'll concentrate my three-ships fire on her, which I can call by the radio (I believe it was manufactured in Prague)

LOL I'll leave it at that point ... Jeff, it could be a prelude to the battle, but it's silly, I know :)
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Yeah, so good what if for a wargame :cool: with ruffling suspense, damn you make my day guys ! :p:p
 
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Jura The idiot

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I'll just briefly comment on
Lezt said:
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What strikes me is that, the Axis are really bad at sharing their technologies. ...
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are you aware the relations between the Supermarina and the OKW were ... not the best? both sides got good reasons for the distrust; while trying to put ideology aside, I'll give just one example for each:
  1. March 1941 and the OKW call to send Italian Cruisers into Eastern Med "under German air-cover" which turned out to be Operation Charlie Fox and resulted in the Battle of Matapan
  2. August 1943 (of course, you may tell me most of Regia Marina was just loyal to the King)
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and with Japan, there were logistic issues, obviously :)
 
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Jura The idiot

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I didn't forget this Thread :)
Sep 10, 2015
Jura said:
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"... Texas ... the first US battleship with flying-off platforms for aircraft, fitted in British waters, possibly as early as March 1918. She flew off her first airplane at Guantanamo Bay (Cuba) in March 1919."
(I had to retype it.)

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... and today:
On this day in history: First airplane launched from an American battleship
On March 9, 1919, U.S. Navy’s New York-class battleship became the first American warship to launch an airplane from its deck.

Lieutenant Commander Edward O. McDonnell flew a British-built Sopwith Camel from a fly-off platform constructed atop the No. 2 turret on the USS Texas.

This proved to be a landmark event as later aircraft flights from ships more than doubled the gunfire accuracy because this new reconnaissance method turned out to be more effective than shipboard spotters.

Later, in 1916, USS Texas went on to become the first U.S. battleship to mount anti-aircraft guns.

Built at Newport News, the former USS Texas (BB 35) was commissioned March 12, 1914 and decommissioned April 21, 1948. The battleship saw action in both World War I and World War II.

When she completed her final mission, the state of Texas acquired the ship and turned it into a memorial ship.

Today, battleship Texas is a floating museum and the last remaining U.S. battleship of its kind.
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Jura The idiot

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FORBIN said:
Draft size for locks ? have you all measurements also actual ? please.
In meters if possible :=)
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