Does China possess the technical ability to develop MIRV technology for ICBM?

This thread is a little ridiculous, but for education purpose I'll lay what I know out here.
The question comprises of two parts, one is whether China has small nuclear warhead, and the other is whether China has the capability to deliver multiple objects from a launch vehicle. The first question is pretty simple to answer because the 1960 era KB1 hydrogen bomb is already pretty small and can be carried by Q5, so miniaturize the warhead is not a problem, which resulted in the small warhead in JL1.
When we look at a DF5 inside the silo prior to warhead mating we can see the size allows plenty of room to house MIRV inside.

Then if we remember China already have multiple satellite launch capability back in the 1980s, first triplet launch in 1981, most famously the launch of Motorola Iridium satellites in the 1990s, and in recent years the YG9 optical/SAR/ELINT bird triplet.
Here is a screen capture of a CALT video shows what appears to be a PBV, note it resembles the PBV of MX missile . This new design most likely incorporates two laterally arranged rockets to generate centrifugal force to deploy multiple war heads.
It's one thing to deny that China can't develop MIRV, but it's a bit silly to suggest that China has the technical ability yet decided not to pursue such operational capability.

CottageLV said:

Where do I get those info? Sina.com, military section. As much as most those netizens have wetdreams during daylight, some of them are still sober and acknowledge China's need for improvement, instead of just always hail Mao and believe China can conquer the world.

Remember the mobile missile platform used in the recent NK parade? That actually came from China, it is coded WS51200. It uses Uncle Sam's Cummins engines and Kraut ZF transmissions. The only thing made in China is the metal frame.

If you don't believe me, just go check it out. .

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Present in this forum the evidence that the engine and transmissions are american-made. You cant assume people here have time or possibility to go to a chinese-language forum. Until then, i wont believe that. It is you who made the claim. Prove it. I have no ideia if its true or not, dont know the truck or company. But then again, what makes you believe that it isnt a reversed-engineered version of those components ??

CottageLV said:

You can't even find credible Chinese academic articles on them.

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Well, much of what is in this forum is speculation, because as we all know PLA is very secretive. So, there are many claims out there. Many of those claims cant be proved, but dont bother trying to disprove them. You cant. Saying that because we cant prove it, we dont know for sure is obvious. But dont waste your time coming to this forum to say that. We all know it. At least i do. As i say, regarding PLA, you can only believe what you see.

kroko said:

Present in this forum the evidence that the engine and transmissions are american-made. You cant assume people here have time or possibility to go to a chinese-language forum. Until then, i wont believe that. It is you who made the claim. Prove it. I have no ideia if its true or not, dont know the truck or company. But then again, what makes you believe that it isnt a reversed-engineered version of those components ??



Well, much of what is in this forum is speculation, because as we all know PLA is very secretive. So, there are many claims out there. Many of those claims cant be proved, but dont bother trying to disprove them. You cant. Saying that because we cant prove it, we dont know for sure is obvious. But dont waste your time coming to this forum to say that. We all know it. At least i do. As i say, regarding PLA, you can only believe what you see.

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the sources are in this pic.

you can see the model number. i'm not sure how you guys call germans in russia, but in the english world, its krauts. ZF is german, not american. cummins KTTA19-C700 & ZF WSK440+16S251. its on their corporate page, just search it.

as for the credible related academic articles, we even see them written for the highly secretive j10 and j20, something similar should exist for mirv and AShM, otherwise it is probably just a rumour, perhaps a wetdream

CottageLV said:

the sources are in this pic.

you can see the model number. i'm not sure how you guys call germans in russia, but in the english world, its krauts. ZF is german, not american. cummins KTTA19-C700 & ZF WSK440+16S251. its on their corporate page, just search it.

as for the credible related academic articles, we even see them written for the highly secretive j10 and j20, something similar should exist for mirv and AShM, otherwise it is probably just a rumour, perhaps a wetdream

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No. This picture only shows "china.com" . It doesnt say anything else. I dont know what are you talking.

As for the rest, sure. We know that "highly secretive" j-10 and j-20 exist in pictures and video. Its not too hard to make "credible related academic articles". How about real secret things, that dont exist in pictures and/or video ? You say that those reports "should exist" ? Its a little harder to talk hard facts about things that we dont see, isnt it?

He is just dreaming as usual ... keep asking "any source" or "any proof" something like that .. but when somebody asks him any proof or source .. he gets mad and being irrational .. and eventually showing he knows very little. the problem with him ..... anything he doesn't know he is assuming, again assuming ... THEY DON'T EXIST ... oh well, he needs to read and learn a lot of new things .. the world has changed and keep changing my friend, and very fast too

No China can't make MIRVs, they are still at the fire lance stage. They need to reach modern age and research Nation-in-Arms to do that, but they have to level up and adopt western value to get to that. Don't blame the player, blame the game. What you never played this game?

Okay, let's stop leave the discussion here, he just can't see the truth.

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Here's the link to it. Company's official site, its product page, check it out.

What's the whole Cox Report about? I love how the accusation that China stole the US's most advanced nuclear weapons technology including minaturization for MIRVs is used to vilify China yet when the Chinese side says they can do it, there's doubt and there needs to be proof. Two beliefs that cannot possibly exist in the same universe. In other words it's called lying. If China doesn't possess the technology then why is there all this anger about China stealing when obviously it's not true by demands to show proof. Where's the proof that China stole US nuclear weapons technology? Yet ironically China has to show proof they can do it. And in this case members have to show proof or someone is going to get angry. I find it interesting reading military forums people get angry at pro-Chinese posters speculating. Why do you care? If they're wrong which many of the critics believe, the speculators looks like fools. Yet they're angry anyway because the speculator doesn't follow their lead. That's thought police mentality and not freedom loving mentality.

AssassinsMace said:

What's the whole Cox Report about? I love how the accusation that China stole the US's most advanced nuclear weapons technology including minaturization for MIRVs is used to vilify China yet when the Chinese side says they can do it, there's doubt and there needs to be proof. Two beliefs that cannot possibly exist in the same universe. In other words it's called lying. If China doesn't possess the technology then why is there all this anger about China stealing when obviously it's not true by demands to show proof. Where's the proof that China stole US nuclear weapons technology? Yet ironically China has to show proof they can do it. And in this case members have to show proof or someone is going to get angry. I find it interesting reading military forums people get angry at pro-Chinese posters speculating. Why do you care? If they're wrong which many of the critics believe, the speculators looks like fools. Yet they're angry anyway because the speculator doesn't follow their lead. That's thought police mentality and not freedom loving mentality.

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Don't take this personally, it's a power game. All countries steal one from another, even closest allies. Even American spies get arrested and deported in Canada and Britain. For potential enemies like China and US, it would be dumb to not spy on one another, especially on those high techs. Even Japan stole from China, especially those areas where US has tight restrictions over, such as large scale wind tunnel datas and other areas that they don't have too much exploration into.

I'm sure there are countless Chinese espionage into US military sector, but that's normal, everyone does it. What's not right is US accusing China, that's like a prostitute accusing another prostitute being a whore, although she is a whore herself. This is a gritty example but you guys know what I'm saying. The US did even more espionage into Soviet/Russian and Chinese counterpart in the past, even more so in the future. There are constantly US and Japanese citizens getting arrested in China for unauthorized land and military facility surveying. They were disguised as civilians and taking pictures of military facilities.

CottageLV said:

Don't take this personally, it's a power game. All countries steal one from another, even closest allies. Even American spies get arrested and deported in Canada and Britain. For potential enemies like China and US, it would be dumb to not spy on one another, especially on those high techs. Even Japan stole from China, especially those areas where US has tight restrictions over, such as large scale wind tunnel datas and other areas that they don't have too much exploration into.

I'm sure there are countless Chinese espionage into US military sector, but that's normal, everyone does it. What's not right is US accusing China, that's like a prostitute accusing another prostitute being a whore, although she is a whore herself. This is a gritty example but you guys know what I'm saying. The US did even more espionage into Soviet/Russian and Chinese counterpart in the past, even more so in the future. There are constantly US and Japanese citizens getting arrested in China for unauthorized land and military facility surveying. They were disguised as civilians and taking pictures of military facilities.

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I'm making the point the side that makes the charges refutes and contradicts their own arguments. Which means they lie for political ends. What else do they lie about?