Disgusting, AVIC I plans to take shortcut again on big Plane Project

Haven't they learn their lessons already. The key components have to domestically built. By using an foreign built engine on plane is not considered as indigenous built.

Those sell outs are disgusting for taking shortcuts again.

I don't want see any US-china cooperation on the large aircraft program.
Bad news will happen. The indigenous effort will get upended.


中美又要合造大飞机了 (2008-09-05 13:15:34)


9月5日消息：记者昨日从中国商用飞机有限责任公司了解到，大飞机项目已正式开始启动国际合作的进程。9月3日，大飞机公司副总经理吴光辉会见了美国发动机巨头普惠中国公司的代表并进行了会谈。
　　“下一步的合作肯定是会有的，但目前是以资金、还是技术合作都没有确定，不方便透露。”大飞机公司人士向本报记者表示。此前，大飞机公司始终表示不排除与国际合作的可能性。记者了解到，在9月3日的会谈中，中方向美国普惠介绍了中国商飞公司的概况和大型客机项目的进展情况。美国普惠中国公司总裁中野茂秋则介绍了普惠公司正在研制的新一代PW1000G发动机，双方还就下一步的合作安排进行了全面讨论。此前，市场普遍认为项目的核心之一发动机或将采取外购的方式，而此次大飞机公司与世界航空发动机主要生产商美国普惠的合作，似已露出了端倪。

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China and the United States have made large aircraft of the (2008-09-05 13:15:34)


September 5: reporters from China's commercial aircraft limited liability company learned that the aircraft project has formally started the process of international cooperation. September 3, the aircraft, Deputy General Manager Wu Guanghui, met with U.S. engine giant Pratt & Whitney and representatives of Chinese companies for the talks.
"The next step of cooperation is certainly there, but now is funds or technical cooperation are not identified, said it is not convenient." Large aircraft companies are said to this reporter. Earlier, the aircraft company has indicated that he did not rule out the possibility of cooperation with the international. This reporter has learned that on September 3 in the talks, the Pratt & Whitney in the direction of the United States on China to fly the company's profile and large passenger aircraft project progress. Pratt & Whitney, president of the United States in China, Ye Mao autumn on the Pratt & Whitney is developing a new generation of PW1000G engine, the two sides also discussed the next step of the cooperation arrangements for a comprehensive discussion. Prior to this, is widely considered one of the core engine project will take or outsourcing the way, the world's largest aircraft company and the main aero-engine maker Pratt & Whitney of the United States, seemed revealed clues

antimatter, This is an English language Chinese military forum. Please translate that article into English and repost.

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中美又要合造大飞机了 (2008-09-05 13:15:34)


9月5日消息：记者昨日从中国商用飞机有限责任公司了解到，大飞机项目已正式开始启动国际合作的进程。9月 3日，大飞机公司副总经理吴光辉会见了美国发动机巨头普惠中国公司的代表并进行了会谈。
　　“下一步的合作肯定是会有的，但目前是以资金、还是技术合作都没有确定，不方便透露。”大飞机公司人士 向本报记者表示。此前，大飞机公司始终表示不排除与国际合作的可能性。记者了解到，在9月3日的会谈中，中 方向美国普惠介绍了中国商飞公司的概况和大型客机项目的进展情况。美国普惠中国公司总裁中野茂秋则介绍了普 惠公司正在研制的新一代PW1000G发动机，双方还就下一步的合作安排进行了全面讨论。此前，市场普遍认 为项目的核心之一发动机或将采取外购的方式，而此次大飞机公司与世界航空发动机主要生产商美国普惠的合作， 似已露出了端倪。

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Let me try to translate this, however, the author did not post the source of this article.

China and USA cooperate to make big plane again (2008-09-05 13:15:34)

Sep 5th, Reporter got the news from Chinese Bussiness Airplane Company Limited, the big airplane project has ignited international cooperation procedure. Sep 3rd, the deputy general manager of big plane company, Mr. Wu Guang Hui, met and talk to USA aircraft engine manufacturing giant, Pratt and Whitney China.

"The next step cooperation is for sure, but to cooperate by fund or technique is not sure yet, so it's not convenient to disclose". The big plane company's staff told reporter, previously, the big plane company did not eliminate the possibility of international cooperation. Reporter knew that in the meeting on Sep 3rd, the Chinese side introduced to American P&W about the general situation of Chinese Bussiness Airplane and the progress of the large airliner project. The chairman of P&W China, Mr. 中野茂秋 (his name), introduced that it is devloping a new generation engine: PW1000G. Both sides also talk about the next step cooperation arrangement. Previously, the market generally thinks that one of the cores of the project, the engine, might adopt importing method. And this time, the cooperation between the big plane company and the world's main engine manufacturer seems disclose some clue about this.

Western engines have proven themselves to have superior fuel burn, lifespan, and reliability. Support for Western engines is also stellar with supply and maintenance centres throughout the world. This is essential if AVIC I wishes to attract customers...

who care if western engine are better at this stage.
Just like saying Intel processor is better China shouldn't make its own longeson processor.

If AVIC I indeed is going use foreign engine and just build the body, then it's a great sham abnd cop out.

All the recent talk of building a domestic large plane is a farce.

antimatter said:

who care if western engine are better at this stage.
Just like saying Intel processor is better China shouldn't make its own longeson processor.

If AVIC I indeed is going use foreign engine and just build the body, then it's a great sham abnd cop out.

All the recent talk of building a domestic large plane is a farce.

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there is a huge difference between the engine to be used for the domestic airliner and domestic transport. The former is going to use Western engine, because Chinese ones simply aren't going to get FAA approvals. The latter is going to use Chinese engine, because US will not let American engines to be used on Chinese warplanes.

It's that simple. Please don't freak out over something so basic.

An interesting question: since China has reverse engineer so many stuff in the past, can't it reverse engineer an American engine and make its own version?

tphuang said:

. The former is going to use Western engine, because Chinese ones simply aren't going to get FAA approvals.

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FAA? Only if plane is flying out of the country.
If they have to use western engine, the only salvation from that would be able to license produce those engine,and fly control system. otherwise if the blackbox approach, then AVIC I will learn absolute nothing about the core technology.

Such a letdown from initial drumming up of doing something great on their own , only to find out all they doing is to build the skin.

There's really no point in complaining until you actually build your own large turbofan. And obviously China doesn't have one yet.

Does anybody know if it's possible to build a "civilian" version of a military transport turbofan? Maybe detune it or leave out some sensitive technology. Would that be necessary? How complicated a task would that be?

antimatter said:

FAA? Only if plane is flying out of the country.
If they have to use western engine, the only salvation from that would be able to license produce those engine,and fly control system. otherwise if the blackbox approach, then AVIC I will learn absolute nothing about the core technology.

Such a letdown from initial drumming up of doing something great on their own , only to find out all they doing is to build the skin.

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The commercial jet is built for domestic and international market, so yes FAA approval is essential for this plane.
And Chinese aviation industry on all levels always takes one step at a time; building this plane and putting it together is the first step. You shouldnt expect everything to be included in this 1st step...