Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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This article, I did not mind, but at the same time could not really see what was its point. Its ultimate point.

Everyone has an opinion. Containment of China, is it good, bad? Will it work, or will the strategy not work? Here Wolf did not argue too hard about it.

Let's consider for a second, what Prof Martin Jacques likes to talk about, that China is showing another way towards modernity.

That is kind of true. China is becoming a rather modern society, technologically advanced and have rising incomes.

But ... let's ask the question ... in a different way ...

Will the containment of China, lead by the USA, will try derail the Chinese march to modernity?

Here, I would believe the answer is no as well.

Well ... if they cannot stop the development of China version of modernity ... then what is the point of containment?

The Wolf article did not argue his point in those terms. In China, they would probably see it in that way, because that what they doin'.

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What most of these economists seem to converge on is their distaste for Xi.

But maybe we wouldn't need a Xi if the West wasn't so hellbent on keeping Chinese down.



They loved the robber baron landscape, probably would've ended up owning everything in China if dollar and MNCs were allowed to just flood in. MIC2025 would've been a mere dream.
 
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In a previous episode they speculated that Biden might not be running the show since policies he supposedly enacted are all over the place.
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Absolutely. Biden cannot even complete a sentence anymore. He's by textbook definition a senile old man. This explains why he's hiding from the media and lets the press sec to all the scripted talking.
 
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There's just no proper intention to truly fix the domestic problems in the US. Everyone's like, yes we have bad problems at home, but no one is truly intent on fixing them. They're trying to cast aside the problems like it was a bad memory because tackling the problems head-on would be too traumatic for Americans.
 
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There's just no proper intention to truly fix the domestic problems in the US. Everyone's like, yes we have bad problems at home, but no one is truly intent on fixing them. They're trying to cast aside the problems like it was a bad memory because tackling the problems head-on would be too traumatic for Americans.
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@Crang

A symptoms of current US democratic system the lack of real leadership, cause America have been through this before in her history, the great depression, the lesson are there to act upon.
 
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tldr : in order to defend the world against chinese aggression, the world need to prop up US primacy at all cost.
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The US expects and wants other nations to behave like Australia: sacrifice national self interest for the core goal of burnishing america's failing hegemony.
 
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There's just no proper intention to truly fix the domestic problems in the US. Everyone's like, yes we have bad problems at home, but no one is truly intent on fixing them. They're trying to cast aside the problems like it was a bad memory because tackling the problems head-on would be too traumatic for Americans.
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Sometimes the problems are too severe.

We can try to solve it, then find out how insurmountable it really is.
 
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If Beijing thinks their "list" will expedite what it wants from the US, I'll have to agree with Ryan Hass' tweet posted earlier. It's the same with what China did with Australia giving them a list of items Australia will have to address before things return to "normal". It's so Chinese to follow rituals. All Beijing did was give a list of things for them to avoid doing because to Americans submission is weakness. It's the same logic regarding the international space station. Beijing wanted in and the US was blocking it because China had to submit to its demands before they would even consider it. But somehow Beijing thinks if China can show the basics of what the US can do in space, somehow they have to let China in as a part of the international space station. China gives their list of demands and when they don't comply, it makes them look like they're in control. China just gave them a freebie like giving Trump a superficial win with the phase one trade deal. It was worth nothing but Trump could run with it claiming it as a victory.

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There was another article that said the Biden Administration doesn't find dealing with China a priority. Some were interpreting that as China is not important to the US. No, it's because they know to deal with China is filled with domestic political landmines that Republicans are happy to see them blow up in Biden's face. Many of them would overshadow any achievements Joe Biden can accomplish easier than dealing with China. Do nothing and whatever happens is a legacy of Trump and the Republicans.
 
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Joe Biden's brother turns out to be a non-attorney partner in a law firm in Florida. The office looks like something you'd find on a strip mall. The law firm is behind one of those lawsuits suing China over COVID-19. His brother is using his Presidency in promoting the law firm in advertising which goes against Joe Biden's promise not to allow or involve family in any business like Trump did. Even if Joe Biden is against what his brother is doing, he can't tell him what to do.
 
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If Beijing thinks their "list" will expedite what it wants from the US, I'll have to agree with Ryan Hass' tweet posted earlier. It's the same with what China did with Australia giving them a list of items Australia will have to address before things return to "normal". It's so Chinese to follow rituals. All Beijing did was give a list of things for them to avoid doing because to Americans submission is weakness. It's the same logic regarding the international space station. Beijing wanted in and the US was blocking it because China had to submit to its demands before they would even consider it. But somehow Beijing thinks if China can show the basics of what the US can do in space, somehow they have to let China in as a part of the international space station. China gives their list of demands and when they don't comply, it makes them look like they're in control. China just gave them a freebie like giving Trump a superficial win with the phase one trade deal. It was worth nothing but Trump could run with it claiming it as a victory.

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There was another article that said the Biden Administration doesn't find dealing with China a priority. Some were interpreting that as China is not important to the US. No, it's because they know to deal with China is filled with domestic political landmines that Republicans are happy to see them blow up in Biden's face. Many of them would overshadow any achievements Joe Biden can accomplish easier than dealing with China. Do nothing and whatever happens is a legacy of Trump and the Republicans.
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“Doing nothing” helps China. It buys time.
 
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escobar said:
It does not really matter who wrote this thing because this is not basically a new strategy. Just the old strategy in a new era.
Not a bad strategy if you want to stay number one. What matter is whether Biden can make it happen or if Beijing can break it
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You did notice the strategy focuses mainly on Xi Jinping?

But even if Xi Jinping is replaced, his successor will still be working towards the exact same goals in terms of economic growth and technology, because the policy bureaucracy is still there.

At the moment, Chinese GDP is only 20% larger than the USA when measured with PPP.
And China is spending only slightly more in terms of R&D, as per the National Science Foundation.

In 5-10 years time, China should be far larger.
So what are the chances of China completely replacing US technology in this timeframe?

Further on, it is conceivable for the Chinese economy and R&D spending to grow 2x larger and then 3x larger than the USA.
After all, China does have 4x the population.

So if we look to places like South Korea or ASEAN, China should have much more influence in terms of economic benefits and punishments.
And potentially China could have overwhelming military influence because China is right next door.

Why on earth would they deliberately follow the USA into a hostile containment policy against China?

Better to stay neutral and hedge between the USA and China.
 
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