Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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B.I.B.

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The ball is on the court for US to keep this momentum but for how long? China will continue to grow with no way to completely stop it unless they decide to go to war but with the Russia-Ukraine war we can see they have no guts confront them to a direct war, they also going to have to deal with inflation, shortages and other domestic issues for this turbulent decade, which would put their "issue" with China in the backburner or weaken their focus.
Perhaps it was too close to home that deterred them. A conflict that sees an area in Asia get trashed would be more acceptable.Once this current conflict has been settled, I wonder if the U.S. going to mess with Saudi Arabia for accepting yuan for oil purchases , plus all those other small oil/gas producing countries who she considers to be less than enthusiastic when it came to supporting the West in their time of need.
 
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Perhaps it was too close to home that deterred them. A conflict that sees an area in Asia get trashed would be more acceptable.Once this current conflict has been settled, I wonder if the U.S. going to mess with Saudi Arabia for accepting yuan for oil purchases , plus all those other small oil/gas producing countries who she considers to be less than enthusiastic when it came to supporting the West in their time of need.
I think the US will continue to try to make a coup against MBS. But MBS has been making the Saudi royal family members sell all their properties in the West for years already to fund his cities in the middle of the desert. Some claim the Saudis overstate their oil reserves and their whole economy is a giant house of cards anyway. Why did the Saudis put up Saudi Aramco shares up for sale? The Saudis seem to be really concerned with moving away from oil for some reason. And I doubt seeing the US confiscate the wealth of Russian millionaires is going to make the Saudis more willing to invest in the West.
 

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Why did the Saudis put up Saudi Aramco shares up for sale? The Saudis seem to be really concerned with moving away from oil for some reason.
This shows foresight. Anyone with half a brain can understand that oil exports have a bleak future. A proper leader will wisely divest asap from such reliance.

This is why the Arab States are so willing to cooperate with China. They know that the clock is ticking
 

ansy1968

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Perhaps it was too close to home that deterred them. A conflict that sees an area in Asia get trashed would be more acceptable.Once this current conflict has been settled, I wonder if the U.S. going to mess with Saudi Arabia for accepting yuan for oil purchases , plus all those other small oil/gas producing countries who she considers to be less than enthusiastic when it came to supporting the West in their time of need.
@B.I.B. Bro IF this conflict settled in overwhelming Russian victory which it is, the US will be bog down in Europe for decades especially as Poland, Romania, the Baltic Chiuhuahua and Bulgaria will clamor for more US involvement (more money). The Alliance System is a Burden that will inflict more serious harm for America than they realized. The Saudis knows it and the rest of Global South, look right now the invite for an ASEAN US summit members country will sent representatives instead of top leaders attending. The Philippine is one of them with President Duterte making excuses of election schedule. The US prestige is being eroded and they are forcing its Allies to act against their interest like forcing SK into QUAD knowing that their difference with Japan is irreconcilable. The rotted is spreading within and instead of administering treatment they're inflicting more by overstretching their already limited resources. It's a multipolar world and the Collective West is not seen as overpowering like before as their bluff is being called on every time they make a statement...lol

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ansy1968

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I think the US will continue to try to make a coup against MBS. But MBS has been making the Saudi royal family members sell all their properties in the West for years already to fund his cities in the middle of the desert. Some claim the Saudis overstate their oil reserves and their whole economy is a giant house of cards anyway. Why did the Saudis put up Saudi Aramco shares up for sale? The Saudis seem to be really concerned with moving away from oil for some reason. And I doubt seeing the US confiscate the wealth of Russian millionaires is going to make the Saudis more willing to invest in the West.
@gelgoog they have China and Russia their new BBF and they're having their cake and eat it too....lol High oil prices and a large ready customer, they become bolder and the confidence to give the American the middle finger. Brother the US is having its Karmic moment, those Hubris and condescending action is coming home to roost. That's the reason the Collective West hate both the Chinese and the Russian, they weren't fear anymore and their importance had been lessen.
 

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The talk that the US might relieve tariffs on China are feelers to see how Americans react. I said early on Biden better do something before midterms or else the economy ain't getting better. I think it's already too late to see any results beforehand.

I saw on cable news the word is Kamala Harris feels dissed in Washington. Supposedly Vice Presidents have been given "respect" as much as the President when they walk into rooms and people in the room are supposed to I guess stop what they're doing and acknowledge the Vice President is there. Supposedly staff in the White House are not doing that for her. The question going around Washington is Biden going to run for a second term? And is Kamala going to be the front runner for the nomination? And the typical criticism... is their foreign policy experience? She has none and the go-to way for American politicians to get foreign policy "experience" when they have none has been to fly to Hong Kong and give a speech and bash China. I don't think that's going happen anymore after the failure of Hong Kong activists.
 

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Obama, the West's champion on the environment, was setting up the world so the US can get rich by getting the UN to mandate environmental standards so that the world would be forced to buy expensive US and Western green technology under the guise of saving the planet... until China came along and offered more efficient cheaper green technology. Then Obama's true colors came out for the ink of green and killed any international initiative to promote green energy throughout his administration. So Obama who steered the world into a worse course for the global environment also made a turn for the worse for world peace because he steered the West into being more anti-China just because he felt dissed by China when they sent a low level official to meet with him at the UN environmental summit at Copenhagen after he was setting up China to blame for its failure in part of his plan to kill anything agreed upon because he wanted the US to make all the money and not China. So it's ironic that they need China now for the very thing Obama wanted to prevent.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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"There is no historic precedent for a big economy living on imports from its declared strategic rival"

Actually there is. Nazi Germany. Dependent on raw resources from the Soviets. Or if you want an example closer to the US, their own civil war, where the South was mostly agricultural and highly dependent on industry from the North. We know how both of those turned out.

If they had a barely sane leadership they would just acquiesce to the current situation. Once the USD lost its reserve currency status, there would be a deep economic depression in the US, but it would also make industry come back as salaries would come down. And eventually things would self regulate. No one would be going to bother to invade the US anyway. Instead of being the sole world superpower, they would be just one of a couple of powers and certainly a regional power in North America and probably their whole continent. Most of Europe lost its colonial possessions. Do you think the average European is worse off now that when they had their empires? The truth is all empires are extractive. Not just to the colonies but to their own citizens. Being forced to scale down in scope means they have to manage what they still have better and give citizens decent conditions.
Just like Britain only became a welfare state after WWII, after it lost its empire.
 
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