Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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crash8pilot

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Lol that is literally a FLG website.

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Doesn’t mean the author’s take about Wang Yang is wrong. Quite frankly the analysis in the article has lot more depth than most “China watchers”, and facts stated in the article are based off observable evidence (especially when evaluating political organs of the CPC and the individuals involved in elite level Chinese politics) instead of made up theories or a surface level understanding of the country.

As one of my college professors would say, eat the meat but spit out the bones. You can’t always take things at face value. Critical thinking and analysis is what separates us from the gullible and uneducated that believes everything they’re told by the news without second thought. If we took every word Global Times and CGTN had to say as the gospel truth, we’d all think everything is hunky dory in China and the country has no issues whatsoever.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Doesn’t mean the author’s take about Wang Yang is wrong. Quite frankly the analysis in the article has lot more depth than most “China watchers”, and facts stated in the article are based off observable evidence (especially when evaluating political organs of the CPC and the individuals involved in elite level Chinese politics) instead of made up theories or a surface level understanding of the country.

As one of my college professors would say, eat the meat but spit out the bones. You can’t always take things at face value. Critical thinking and analysis is what separates us from the gullible and uneducated that believes everything they’re told by the news without second thought. If we took every word Global Times and CGTN had to say as the gospel truth, we’d all think everything is hunky dory in China and the country has no issues whatsoever.
But they're factually and provably wrong elsewhere, including on US issues as well. So that's another hit against them as well as being FLG.

Nobody takes anything as gospel lmao but when you are proven to be verifiably wrong on multiple counts including getting the exact opposite conclusion then it's a shit source.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus.
 

siegecrossbow

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I'd refer you to this:

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FLG have very misguided faith in CCP successors. When Xi was picked as successor they legit treated him as the secon coming of Gorbachev who will bury the CCP and reestablish FLG in the mainland, possibly appointing Li Hongzhi to high governmental position. I’d lol if Wang Yang cracks down even harder on what’s left of FLG in mainland if he becomes Chairman.
 

crash8pilot

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But they're factually and provably wrong elsewhere, including on US issues as well. So that's another hit against them as well as being FLG.

Nobody takes anything as gospel lmao but when you are proven to be verifiably wrong on multiple counts including getting the exact opposite conclusion then it's a shit source.

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus.
If you truly wanted to be Fair and Unbiased, you put aside perception and prejudice and evaluate the facts as stated.

Fact of the matter is the author of the article is right about what the CPPCC function, why as Chairman of the CPPCC Wang Yang was sent to Tibet on the occasion, as well as Wang Yang's actual role and contributions to the Standing Committee... and alas why the author doesn't take these as signals that Xi has anointed Wang Yang as his successor.

子曰:三人行,必有我师焉。择其善者而从之,其不善者而改之。
When I walk with three people, they may serve as my teacher. I will select their good qualities and follow them, their bad qualities and avoid them.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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If you truly wanted to be Fair and Unbiased, you put aside perception and prejudice and evaluate the facts as stated.

Fact of the matter is the author of the article is right about what the CPPCC function, why as Chairman of the CPPCC Wang Yang was sent to Tibet on the occasion, as well as Wang Yang's actual role and contributions to the Standing Committee... and alas why the author doesn't take these as signals that Xi has anointed Wang Yang as his successor.

子曰:三人行,必有我师焉。择其善者而从之,其不善者而改之。
When I walk with three people, they may serve as my teacher. I will select their good qualities and follow them, their bad qualities and avoid them.

Nope anyone who has been proven to be factually wrong in the past can safely be disregarded. If they said the sky is blue I would still look up.

老子:夫轻诺必寡信,多易必多难。
 

texx1

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That website claims 80% accuracy but if you read their actual claims they're cherry picking or being intellectually dishonest.

when put to the test with specific and numerical claims, they got these claims totally wrong and in the opposite direction (ie predicting RMB to USD declining to 7.3 when it rose to 6.4).

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When it comes to public oversea sources for meaningful Chinese political watching, the unfortunate reality is that almost all of media (whether west or HK based) could be connected to some anti-CCP organizations if you were willing to dig deep enough.

From my personal experience, outside Chinese political watchers are mainly consisted of two types, those that got their start from the aftermath of June 4 incident (most of them eventually became associated with FLG media wing), and those that were allies or patrons of CCP officials who lost their own political struggles. Purely western analysts tend use them as sources anyway due to their own lack of nuanced understanding of Chinese language, culture and history.

I am of course excluding those china watchers that parrot standard CCP talking points because I could read them myself from domestic Chinese media. In other words, it is fairly difficult to find a politically "pure" but useful China watcher, someone that is not against CCP or its leaderships in anyway but offers something interesting. Since political discussions especially about senior inner party politics are more or less forbidden in mainland, those who still have personal/business interests would keep their disclosure to a minimum. You are very unlikely to get scoops from existing insiders anyway. As a result, I am willing to lower my personal reliability threshold for stories about CCP inner politics and use my own judgment.

As for track records, I think it's a tall order for any organization engaging in CCP political watching to possess a high accuracy rate. The party is very secretive when it comes to its inner workings. Also, CCP party politics are full of surprising developments that are not telegraphed. Before Bo's downfall, many predicted he was shoe-in for the premier position just as many predicted Cheng Liangyu (Shanghai party chief) would be protected by Jiang's clique. Two months ago, there was the surprising arrest of Fu Zhenghua who was the ex minster of justice and rumored to have played a significant role in taking down Zhou. Many thought Fu would be safe as he went into a second line posting last year.

As for the article itself, it did offer a few interesting takes on why Wang's tibet visit might be insignificant. I was not convinced but I appreciate the effort.
 

solarz

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FLG have very misguided faith in CCP successors. When Xi was picked as successor they legit treated him as the secon coming of Gorbachev who will bury the CCP and reestablish FLG in the mainland, possibly appointing Li Hongzhi to high governmental position. I’d lol if Wang Yang cracks down even harder on what’s left of FLG in mainland if he becomes Chairman.

Not just the FLG, Western media does this as well. I remember when Xi was taking over, Western media ran stories on how he was supposed to be a "moderate" and "reformer". It's all wishful thinking.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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When it comes to public oversea sources for meaningful Chinese political watching, the unfortunate reality is that almost all of media (whether west or HK based) could be connected to some anti-CCP organizations if you were willing to dig deep enough.

From my personal experience, outside Chinese political watchers are mainly consisted of two types, those that got their start from the aftermath of June 4 incident (most of them eventually became associated with FLG media wing), and those that were allies or patrons of CCP officials who lost their own political struggles. Purely western analysts tend use them as sources anyway due to their own lack of nuanced understanding of Chinese language, culture and history.

I am of course excluding those china watchers that parrot standard CCP talking points because I could read them myself from domestic Chinese media. In other words, it is fairly difficult to find a politically "pure" but useful China watcher, someone that is not against CCP or its leaderships in anyway but offers something interesting. Since political discussions especially about senior inner party politics are more or less forbidden in mainland, those who still have personal/business interests would keep their disclosure to a minimum. You are very unlikely to get scoops from existing insiders anyway. As a result, I am willing to lower my personal reliability threshold for stories about CCP inner politics and use my own judgment.

As for track records, I think it's a tall order for any organization engaging in CCP political watching to possess a high accuracy rate. The party is very secretive when it comes to its inner workings. Also, CCP party politics are full of surprising developments that are not telegraphed. Before Bo's downfall, many predicted he was shoe-in for the premier position just as many predicted Cheng Liangyu (Shanghai party chief) would be protected by Jiang's clique. Two months ago, there was the surprising arrest of Fu Zhenghua who was the ex minster of justice and rumored to have played a significant role in taking down Zhou. Many thought Fu would be safe as he went into a second line posting last year.

As for the article itself, it did offer a few interesting takes on why Wang's tibet visit might be insignificant. I was not convinced but I appreciate the effort.

I understand getting personnel changes wrong. Expected, it is a soft prediction with lots of personal twists and turns.

How do you explain getting specific, numerical economic predictions like exchange rate wrong in both direction and order of magnitude?
 
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