Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

solarz said:

Poor and urban Americans identify as liberal. Rich or rural Americans identify as conservative.

In the end, it's all designed to divide the working class and weaken their opposition to the ruling elite.

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Actually, many wealthy, highly educated, and urbane Americans vote Republican. And many of them are hardcore Trump supporters

In the case of Trump, many of his supporters are highly educated and also extremely wealthy. The infamous Mercer family that setup up the meeting between Steven Bannon and Trump and thus were the brains behind Trump’s presidential campaign is a good example. Peter Thiel, PayPal Co-founder, is another example among many.

Their version of America is one of Christian conservatism, gun loving, climate change denying, small-government, and deep deep distrust of political establishment.

These cuts across rich or poor, urban or rural, and have generational appeals in American politics.

Petrolicious88 said:

Actually, many wealthy, highly educated, and urbane Americans vote Republican. And many of them are hardcore Trump supporters

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Read what I wrote, pay attention to the conjunctives.

vincent said:

SSGN, not SSBN

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If they don't go nuclear, then they will do negligible amount of damage.

solarz said:

If they don't go nuclear, then they will do negligible amount of damage.

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@vincent

Remember that China is currently building more than 230 new nuclear missile silos, as per FAS and the Pentagon.

If these were all filled with fully-armed DF-41s, that would be 2300 nuclear warheads capable of reaching the USA.
That is more than what the US or Russia have currently deployed.
But I think China will only partially fill up these silos, which would still be enough to change the nuclear balance.

Both the USA and Russia know that they can't get into any sort of conventional war with each other, because the inevitable end result is a nuclear exchange. That has come from decades of wargames amongst the US policy establishment.

And now the Chinese nuclear arsenal is being enlarged so that the same conclusion is reached if a US-China conventional war is contemplated.

If we see conventional US missiles pummelling Chinese cities, then a full-scale nuclear launch against the USA is inevitable.

It is an unfortunate (but necessary) return to Mutual Assured Destruction.

AndrewS said:

It is an unfortunate (but necessary) return to Mutual Assured Destruction.

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I don't think that's unfortunate at all. MAD is what has kept WW3 from happening for 70 years.

solarz said:

I don't think that's unfortunate at all. MAD is what has kept WW3 from happening for 70 years.

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It would be better if MAD was entirely unnecessary

FairAndUnbiased said:

I think the big issue is that despite their differences the libs and cons are now united in their hate of Chinese in particular and Asians in general. Thus the strategy must change from the previous one.

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Evidence? Cantonese grannies attacked by blacks, and Asian women killed by sexually dysfunctional religious nut white shooter is not really convincing evidence of lib/con conspiracy against Asians.

Bellum_Romanum said:

Look up the crimes stats on Asians in America and am sorry to burst your liberal minded bubble but Asians in America are getting disproportionately attack in mostly liberal cities of America, the supposed bastion of human rights tolerance. Whereas for some f..ked up reasons unclear to me, Asians that are situated in mostly conservative states aren't beat up or killed in such high numbers unless of course the stats I was looking at was wrong or fake news.

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By black people? And that's white liberal's fault?
I'm failing to see how you can attribute it to white liberal's fault, when you can easily point to pandemic-related stressors (substance abuse, mental health crisis, unemployment) and Trump's incendiary anti-Asian hate rhetoric. Black people are also the main perpetuators of violence against Asians, not white liberals.

Let's keep in mind, multiple different ethnicities are attacking Asians. Asians are on the bottom of their totem pole. There were some articles pointing to blacks because they were upset whites were apparently getting all the attention. That alone tells you they can easily divert attention. I go into comment sections and the alt-right is trying to point the finger at blacks and I tell them yeah but then I know you whisper into black people's ears and tell them Asians are racist. The alt-right racists want everyone going at each other because they've literally said they want to start a race war. Remember Charles Mason wanted to start a race war by murdering people and then blaming it on blacks. It's a dangerous blame game going on and none of them give a crap about Asians because it's Western culture that teaches people that some deserve more than others and it's mostly those that follow Christianity get more because their God created the universe and they hate people who don't worship the Christian God after he was the one that blessed you existence. That makes them mad hence why they attack Asians. That's why I applaud Asians that fight back immediately when being racially harassed no matter what race because that's the only justice Asians will be getting. If you don't attack immediately and instead hope authorities will get them for you, that leaves someone to make excuses for them. What are they going to do? Call you a racist because you dare defend yourself from someone who's a threat to you because they don't like your race? That's like what happened to Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia where because he was the wrong race jogging in the neighborhood, it was assumed he was responsible for some burglaries so they went after him and because he resisted they hid behind self-defense as an excuse for killing him. Anyone attacking Asians can use self-defense as an excuse no matter if you resist their racist attack on you or not.

Oh, after learning more about the 'Baizhou' term (better 'white left' rather 'white liberal')., I generally agree with everyone. We just had semantics/label confusion, since 'Liberal' in US generally meant 'radical left-wing', which Obama, Clinton, and Biden are definitely not members of...'Liberal' is more apt description of Bernie Sanders than Obama/Biden/Bush.

I generally agree that 'White left' or 'liberal elites' masturbate to self-proclaimed moral superiority, political correctness, and unduly criticize China. So yes, in that sense, Baizhous are basically white supremacists no different than Republican conservatives as far as moralizing about US superiority, and ideological agenda against China.

I also agree that Asians get shafted in affirmative actions enrollment in US universities, and that should be fixed in order to uphold a meritocratic society.

Sorry for the misinterpretation, we just had a semantics issue. I personally support the radical left-wing (e.g. Bernie Sanders) type, because while they are not perfect, they are vastly superior to the Biden-types, or Trump-types or Bush-types as far as race-relations and foreign policy on China go. (Yes, they are still imperialistic and not the most favorable to Asians, but they are FAR more preferable than far right-wing conservatives like Trump who are Fascists in disguise).

FDR was a Democrat and he authorized the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2.

Moonbat Jerry Brown, KKK Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd even Senile Biden himself opposed Vietnamese refugees coming into the US and those 3 sure as hell aren't Republican. And yet 40 plus years later Brown and Biden are all for Middle Eastern refugees coming in (since old Byrd died in 2010). That just reinforces my belief that Asian lives DONT matter to these two faced charlatans.

I hate both sides but at least Republicans and conservatives tend to be more honest and upfront while lib Dems hide their true intentions. I have way more respect for someone that is honest with me upfront than someone that pretends to be by friend and stab me in the back when I least expect it.

Where I live there is a sizable number of Asians and I haven't heard or seen any of the bullshit I see from leftist utopia shitholes like LA, SF and Oakland, all which I used to live and work near at various points. In fact people will even give you a friendly greeting when you walk by them. Concealed carry is shall issue and I carry a Glock 19 with me everyday, all my other friends do the same.

Also, I work out, practice my shooting and self defense skills regularly and I don't take shit from anyone. I've put my hands on assholes running their mouth behind my back, insulted assholes back to their face and I have pulled out my Glock on a white crackhead in another state before too. I kiss nobodies ass and I want to see more Asians standing up for themselves and knocking out white and black pieces of shit. I believe in talk shit get hit as force is the only the thing these assholes understand.