Please don't derail another tread T. This is exactly the type of posts that in my opinion brings down the quality of many threads. You move goal posts and discard other's opinions. When others defend their posts and opinions you move those goal posts again in a provocative manner.
I'm sorry, PiSigma, but I think some people here are being dishonest in pretending the sort of behaviour on SDF is normal or "better" than on other defence forums. There probably are worse places, but in my humble opinion I think there are better ones too. I see no reason why I should be stopped from advancing that argument.
I'm always open for listening to others' opinions, even if I don't agree with them, but I don't see why I should be quiet just because my opinion is unpopular. That really does create an echo chamber by driving people away.
No, it is a bunch of racists and xenophobia that believe the US and the West is always right and can do whatever they want included invading any countries they want.
That's just completely false, plus is an indirect slur on Webby given he runs DF and is therefore ultimately responsible for the behaviour there.
Some members just want to make SDF another echo chamber for the Western liberal order.
Again, that's a nonsense argument. SDF is always going to have some sort of pro-Chinese view.
When they see anything that don't confine to their belief that they would label them nationalism or chauvinism.
Except that I didn't raise the issue of chauvinism on SDF. ougoah did that, albeit in stating his/her belief that it wasn't as bad as other forums.
Many of UK focused forums are racist, arrogant, and echo chamber.
Which UK military forums are you talking about? I'm quite interested in a mainstream result you'd get by searching for "UK military forum", just as you get pointed to SDF by searching for "Chinese military forum".
Perhaps the users feel like they are in a superior position, so there is no need to go on a nationalistic rant when you already feel like there is no competition to begin with.... You are making a lot of assumptions here.
I mean you're also making an assumption, and I would say that mine is more logical - the absence of conflict is due to the calmer overall atmosphere.
My description of DF as an echo chamber is basically directed towards your claim that everyone gets along with each other in DF. If everyone has the same view, of course everyone will get along with each other.
How do you know that everyone on DF has the same view, and what does "the same view" even mean? There are so many different threads encompassing so many different countries including those in strategic competition with each other. It's simply not plausible that everyone gets along to the extent that they do just because of whatever take they may have on one particular question - the position of China in the 21st century. The world isn't divided into pro-China and anti-China.
As for the chauvinistic part, to be honest, that won't go away soon until both sides embrace each other.
I don't agree with that. I was here long enough to remember a time when SDF was much calmer. To the extent SDF has changed is down to the attitude of certain members who decide to act in that way, plus probably a reduction in active mods so there's less scope to control the situation. SDF doesn't have to be as it is now.
