DDG-993 KIDD-class
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f2000 said:
I think this is a distinct possibility. I actually believe the Kidd's usage is for ASW area denial, and to put a monkey wrench in any invasion plan that PLAN could muster. In effect, it's usage will be to slow a Chinese invasion force and force the Chinese to concentrate more force away from Forward naval areas. In this regard, they could be very useful.
MIGleader
Banned Idiot
whats if the chinese simply decide to pump land based missles and attakcers away at every taiwanese ship before the invasion begins? id hate to see the kidds get sunk, as they are useful ships. what id really like ot see is a kidd deck it out with a 52c with guns and not missles. true naval combat. anything involving missles is cheap.
Popeye, they will have the NTU, making them very relevent, and they will be armed with standard missiles and Harpoons, along with Phalanx and torpedoes.bd popeye said:
With their large store of Standard missiles and two twin launchers, and with their very excellent conventional radars, they are, short of an AEGIS vessel, the best anti-air vessels on the planet.
They are very quiet and will be very good anit-sub ships, particularly with their helos. And, with eight harpoons, the standars (which can be used this way too) and their two guns, they have a potent anti-surface punch as well.
Most importantly, with the NTU, they can slave their defensive capabilities to an AEGIS ship (US now, perhaps ROCN later) and thus be a significant force multiplier in any action where an AEGIS ship joins in on their side.
I believe the KIDDs will help balance the issue between the PLAN and ROCN significantly until theu can get AEGIS ships. It's a huge step for the ROCN who is now facing up to four sovs and the newer PLAN 52b abd 52c vessels. NOt a complete answer...but something that will certainly buy them some time if the balloons ever go up...and I believe that is the whole purpose, to buy them time until help arrives.
Just my opinion.
Agreed. And they are very good platforms, despite some of the talk. The US Navy called them AEGIS-light and short of an AEGIS vessle, I still believe them to be the best all around destroyers on the planet. Just my opinion.Sea Dog said:
They will buy the ROC time in the event of hostilities, time they will desperately need until help arrives.
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f2000
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yeah taiwan need to train in anti air warfare.although with limited anti air capability(without latest aegis) with conventional radar n fire control system
its enough or make chinese pilots away from taiwan territory.
4 now china dont have full superior in the war with the purchase of these kidd.
china dont have advantage in launching attack except with cruise n ballistic missiles.
its enough or make chinese pilots away from taiwan territory.
4 now china dont have full superior in the war with the purchase of these kidd.
china dont have advantage in launching attack except with cruise n ballistic missiles.
something that compares KIDD to sovs
台海两岸现代化王牌战舰谁厉害 反潜“基德”能力突出
2005-12-25 07:45:03 点击:1405
《世界新闻报》特约军事观察员 施 为
12月17日，台湾海军在基隆港举行仪式，庆祝从美国购买的头两艘“基德”级驱逐舰正式成军。台“海军总司令”陈邦治在仪式上表示，“基德”舰的服役将极大地提高台海军综合作战能力。作为未来东亚地区又一支主要水上力量，“基德”舰与本地区另一“明星军舰”——“现代”级驱逐舰相比，究竟孰优孰劣呢？
续航力相差无几
“现代”级驱逐舰是前苏联海军20世纪80年代初建造的大型导弹驱逐舰。首舰“现代”号于1980年服役，现有19艘在役。该级舰是以对海攻击为主的通用型驱逐舰，属于俄罗斯海军第三代驱逐舰。根据前苏联海军的分工，它专职负责反舰攻击，主要使命是攻击敌航母编队和其它大中型水面舰艇、在两栖作战中实施火力支援、保卫海上交通线等。
据《解放军报》报道，“现代”级驱逐舰长156米，宽17.3米，吃水深6.5米，满载排水量7300吨，最大航速32节，保持20节航速时可连续航行6500海里，舰上人员编制为398人，其中军官25人。
与“现代”级相比，“基德”级最初是美国于上世纪70年代末期在“斯普鲁恩斯”级驱逐舰的基础上改制的。该型舰舰长171.7米，宽16.8米，满载排水量9574吨，使用4台通用动力公司的LM-2500燃气轮机，总功率86000马力，最大航速33节，以20节巡航速度航行时，续航力6000海里，全舰定员339人。
反舰“日炙”远胜“鱼叉”
在反舰能力上，“现代”级驱逐舰要好于“基德”级。“现代”级驱逐舰主要反舰武器为8枚SS-N-22“日炙”导弹。据《中国海洋报》报道，“日炙”导弹最大射程可达120公里，速度可达2.3马赫，采用主/被动雷达末端制导，抗干扰能力极强，单发命中概率高达94%。导弹采用320公斤重的半穿甲爆破战斗部，引信为延时引爆型，单枚即可重创大型舰只，是目前全球惟一具有超音速、超低空和超视距三大优势的反舰导弹，号称“航母克星”。
“基德”级驱逐舰主要反舰武器为8枚美制“鱼叉”反舰导弹，该型导弹射程虽高达130公里，但速度仅0.9马赫，弹头威力也比“日炙”小得多。有报道说，台当局打算为“基德”舰配备自行研制的“雄风-2”型导弹，但从 “雄风”导弹的性能上看，除了射程又有增加外，其他方面均无特别之处。
现代级舰与基德级舰相比性能上各有所长
防空“牛虻”对抗“标准”
在防空性能上，“现代”级与“基德”级各有所长。“现代”级驱逐舰装备一部三坐标机械扫描雷达，最大探测距离超过260公里。舰上配备有44枚SA-N -7“牛虻”舰空导弹，该导弹能拦截速度为2.4马赫的高速目标，射高15米到15000米，射程25公里，利用分布在舰桥两侧的6个MR90“前圆顶” 火控雷达制导，可同时攻击6个目标。“牛虻”导弹反应速度极快
，命中概率也较高，其系统反应时间仅16秒，两发齐射时对飞机杀伤概率可达96%，对导弹杀伤概率也高达86%。
“基德”级驱逐舰原本就是为防空而设计的。据台《全球防卫杂志》报道，其AN/SPS-48E三坐标远程对空搜索雷达对战机最远探测距离为278公里，对导弹最远探测距离31公里。舰上装备的“标准-2”型防空导弹最大射程可达153公里，号称可以为舰队“撑起防空保护伞”。
反潜“基德”能力突出
“基德”级的设计基于“斯普鲁恩斯”级，因此继承了该型舰的优秀反潜能力。根据台湾海军的资料，“基德”级装备有先进的AN/SQS-53A型艏装声呐，可有效侦测35公里半径范围内的水下目标，舰上还配备有由两架SH-2或SH-60B反潜直升机、“阿斯洛克”反潜导弹和MK-46鱼雷组成远、中、近的三层反潜火力，能够对敌方潜艇构成很大威胁。
“现代”级的反潜能力也不差，舰上安装有MGK335“公牛角”中频主动式舰壳声呐，探测半径最远为20公里。反潜武器包括2座双联装533毫米鱼雷发射管以及2座6管RBU-1000反潜火箭深弹发射器(共装备48枚火箭。火箭的射程为1000米，弹头内的高爆战斗部重量为55公斤)。此外，“现代”级舰还配备有1架卡-27反潜/攻击直升机，作战半径可达20公里以上。
总的来看，“现代”级驱逐舰与“基德”级相比，在性能上各有所长，这主要是由于其不同的设计要求和在舰队中所担负不同使命所决定的。现代海战已经成为空中、海面、水下的立体战争，衡量一种武器装备的性能也应更多地放在整个军事系统中考虑。
编辑：龙芯
台海两岸现代化王牌战舰谁厉害 反潜“基德”能力突出
2005-12-25 07:45:03 点击:1405
《世界新闻报》特约军事观察员 施 为
12月17日，台湾海军在基隆港举行仪式，庆祝从美国购买的头两艘“基德”级驱逐舰正式成军。台“海军总司令”陈邦治在仪式上表示，“基德”舰的服役将极大地提高台海军综合作战能力。作为未来东亚地区又一支主要水上力量，“基德”舰与本地区另一“明星军舰”——“现代”级驱逐舰相比，究竟孰优孰劣呢？
续航力相差无几
“现代”级驱逐舰是前苏联海军20世纪80年代初建造的大型导弹驱逐舰。首舰“现代”号于1980年服役，现有19艘在役。该级舰是以对海攻击为主的通用型驱逐舰，属于俄罗斯海军第三代驱逐舰。根据前苏联海军的分工，它专职负责反舰攻击，主要使命是攻击敌航母编队和其它大中型水面舰艇、在两栖作战中实施火力支援、保卫海上交通线等。
据《解放军报》报道，“现代”级驱逐舰长156米，宽17.3米，吃水深6.5米，满载排水量7300吨，最大航速32节，保持20节航速时可连续航行6500海里，舰上人员编制为398人，其中军官25人。
与“现代”级相比，“基德”级最初是美国于上世纪70年代末期在“斯普鲁恩斯”级驱逐舰的基础上改制的。该型舰舰长171.7米，宽16.8米，满载排水量9574吨，使用4台通用动力公司的LM-2500燃气轮机，总功率86000马力，最大航速33节，以20节巡航速度航行时，续航力6000海里，全舰定员339人。
反舰“日炙”远胜“鱼叉”
在反舰能力上，“现代”级驱逐舰要好于“基德”级。“现代”级驱逐舰主要反舰武器为8枚SS-N-22“日炙”导弹。据《中国海洋报》报道，“日炙”导弹最大射程可达120公里，速度可达2.3马赫，采用主/被动雷达末端制导，抗干扰能力极强，单发命中概率高达94%。导弹采用320公斤重的半穿甲爆破战斗部，引信为延时引爆型，单枚即可重创大型舰只，是目前全球惟一具有超音速、超低空和超视距三大优势的反舰导弹，号称“航母克星”。
“基德”级驱逐舰主要反舰武器为8枚美制“鱼叉”反舰导弹，该型导弹射程虽高达130公里，但速度仅0.9马赫，弹头威力也比“日炙”小得多。有报道说，台当局打算为“基德”舰配备自行研制的“雄风-2”型导弹，但从 “雄风”导弹的性能上看，除了射程又有增加外，其他方面均无特别之处。
现代级舰与基德级舰相比性能上各有所长
防空“牛虻”对抗“标准”
在防空性能上，“现代”级与“基德”级各有所长。“现代”级驱逐舰装备一部三坐标机械扫描雷达，最大探测距离超过260公里。舰上配备有44枚SA-N -7“牛虻”舰空导弹，该导弹能拦截速度为2.4马赫的高速目标，射高15米到15000米，射程25公里，利用分布在舰桥两侧的6个MR90“前圆顶” 火控雷达制导，可同时攻击6个目标。“牛虻”导弹反应速度极快
，命中概率也较高，其系统反应时间仅16秒，两发齐射时对飞机杀伤概率可达96%，对导弹杀伤概率也高达86%。
“基德”级驱逐舰原本就是为防空而设计的。据台《全球防卫杂志》报道，其AN/SPS-48E三坐标远程对空搜索雷达对战机最远探测距离为278公里，对导弹最远探测距离31公里。舰上装备的“标准-2”型防空导弹最大射程可达153公里，号称可以为舰队“撑起防空保护伞”。
反潜“基德”能力突出
“基德”级的设计基于“斯普鲁恩斯”级，因此继承了该型舰的优秀反潜能力。根据台湾海军的资料，“基德”级装备有先进的AN/SQS-53A型艏装声呐，可有效侦测35公里半径范围内的水下目标，舰上还配备有由两架SH-2或SH-60B反潜直升机、“阿斯洛克”反潜导弹和MK-46鱼雷组成远、中、近的三层反潜火力，能够对敌方潜艇构成很大威胁。
“现代”级的反潜能力也不差，舰上安装有MGK335“公牛角”中频主动式舰壳声呐，探测半径最远为20公里。反潜武器包括2座双联装533毫米鱼雷发射管以及2座6管RBU-1000反潜火箭深弹发射器(共装备48枚火箭。火箭的射程为1000米，弹头内的高爆战斗部重量为55公斤)。此外，“现代”级舰还配备有1架卡-27反潜/攻击直升机，作战半径可达20公里以上。
总的来看，“现代”级驱逐舰与“基德”级相比，在性能上各有所长，这主要是由于其不同的设计要求和在舰队中所担负不同使命所决定的。现代海战已经成为空中、海面、水下的立体战争，衡量一种武器装备的性能也应更多地放在整个军事系统中考虑。
编辑：龙芯
The ROCN is getting ex-USN Kidd class destroyers, because the US declined to sell them Arleign Burke class ships. The US government, or at least the current administration, is interested in maintaining the "balance of power" through military sales and not tip it toward ROC's favor.
Case in point, the US would only deliver AIM-120's to ROCAF after the PLAAF obtained Su-30's with R-77's, and after PLAN obtained Sovremenny's, the US agreed to sell ROCN 4 Kidd class ships with SM-2 and Harpoon block II's.
The problem with ROC military purchases is that, due to the political situation, they're restricted to buying from the US. If the situation was different and the ROC could freely source its arms from anyone (EU, Russia), they wouldn't be squeezed by the US to buy used stuff.
Case in point, the US would only deliver AIM-120's to ROCAF after the PLAAF obtained Su-30's with R-77's, and after PLAN obtained Sovremenny's, the US agreed to sell ROCN 4 Kidd class ships with SM-2 and Harpoon block II's.
The problem with ROC military purchases is that, due to the political situation, they're restricted to buying from the US. If the situation was different and the ROC could freely source its arms from anyone (EU, Russia), they wouldn't be squeezed by the US to buy used stuff.
MIGleader
Banned Idiot
taiwan can only buy from america if china buys from russia. if the current trend persists, china will very soon cease purchases from russia, instead building its own advanced weapopns. taiwan will have no choice but the cease u.s purchases, turining to indegedous sources. in that case, the mainland would have had a 30 year head start on developing indegedous weapons.
as for the kidds, they are doomed. without aegis, there is no chance that they will survive a chinese missle saturation attack.
as for the kidds, they are doomed. without aegis, there is no chance that they will survive a chinese missle saturation attack.