CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

Iron Man

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We have yet to see what the rear side of the mock up will be -- so I wouldn't be so quick to compare with Ford.

More important, is that this isn't "interesting" -- the purpose of a three array arrangement is to provide three 120 degree coverage for 360 degree coverage that can be done with phased array radar, and that is how the arrangement of some ships like Ford does.

However, in the case of 002, I would not be surprised if they continued the Liaoning and 001A arrangement and maintain four arrays to provide overlapping 360 coverage by four 120 degree arrays.
If anything this likely dual band radar arrangement of 002 should probably be seen as an evolution of 001A's array of arrangement, but merely with an additional radar set (likely X band) on top in addition to the existing likely S band radar.


What I would be interested in is whether the dual band arrays on 002 are the same as what 055's mock up shows/what 055 may have.
I don't see any evidence of a dual array on the mockup that would justify speculating this.
 

Intrepid

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conceptual design of CV 002 ...

Any rather realistic conceptual design of type 002 should keep this message in mind:

Fzgfzy has some fresh information regarding the Type 002:
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It is from OCT 2016 and I don't know of newer leaks from potentionaly insiders.
 

Blitzo

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Any rather realistic conceptual design of type 002 should keep this message in mind:


It is from OCT 2016 and I don't know of newer leaks from potentionaly insiders.

unfortunately fzgfzy's doodle should not be taken as a realistic depiction of what the real thing may look like yet, because even though he does probably accurately depict what the configuration and key features of 002 may be (overall size, maybe number of catapults and number of elevators), there are many other areas where we dont' know if he was just winging it and making things sort of up and/or being lazy with his drawing, things like island placement, exact size of the island, exact size and placement of elevators, and especially the port side flight deck overhang (or lack of port side flight deck overhang) next to the landing strip which does not seem particularly realistic.


So I would say right now we still do not really know what the design of 002 will exactly look like, we only know some general things about what its configuration will likely be.
 

Intrepid

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unfortunately fzgfzy's doodle should not be taken as a realistic depiction of what the real thing may look like yet ...
His sketch shows a Kuznetsov-hull with a new Chinese island, a flat deck and three catapults. I think, this is very very realistic.

It shows the smallest possible step with the greatest possible progress. And this fully corresponds to the Chinese way of doing things.
 

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His sketch shows a Kuznetsov-hull with a new Chinese island, a flat deck and three catapults. I think, this is very very realistic.

It shows the smallest possible step with the greatest possible progress. And this fully corresponds to the Chinese way of doing things.

How "realistic" or not isn't necessarily the matter up for debate, because the overall configuration of the hull and the catapults etc is not unrealistic and it "corresponds" with what we know about what 002 will look like.

But I hope you realize there is a difference between making a doodle which happens to fit with what we know about what 002 looks like, versus having a sketch, diagram of CGI about what the 002 will actually look like in terms of more subtle design features and differences like configuration and size of elevators and catapults, configuration and design and size of the island, the exact arrangement of flight deck etc.

For example I can sketch a depiction of 002 as well which can meet all the current criteria we have for what 002 will look like, but that doesn't mean my sketch will be representative of what 002 will actually look like.


similarly I do not think that sketch by fzgfzy is supposed to represent what 002 will actually look like but is merely just a sketch that fulfills key parameters about what 002 will likely have.
 

Intrepid

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I always try to hide my wishes when I make assumptions. So far I had a high hit rate. But it is only an offer, I can also be wrong.

Unfortunately one sees on the Internet very many wishes of Fanboys. Sober assumptions are underrepresented.
 

Blitzo

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I always try to hide my wishes when I make assumptions. So far I had a high hit rate. But it is only an offer, I can also be wrong.

Unfortunately one sees on the Internet very many wishes of Fanboys. Sober assumptions are underrepresented.

The "sobriety" or "realism" of a depiction, unfortunately, is not a sufficiently good reason to argue that that particular sketch is depicts what the design of 002 will actually look like.

At best it depicts the core characteristics of 002 that we know about, but we don't know how close the actual design details of 002 will look to it. I think that is a more than reasonable argument to make and a very logical way to interpret the sketch based on all the information we have about 002 at present.



Our wishes should optimally not play a role in interpreting and analyzing information. In this case, I have no particular wish as to whether 002's design looks like fzgfzy's sketch or if it is something different, however I have enough knowledge about general carrier characteristics and also enough knowledge about what can be confirmed about 002's characteristics, to think that his sketch probably is not meant to be a detailed and accurate depiction of 002's design.
 

Intrepid

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... however I have enough knowledge about general carrier characteristics and also enough knowledge about what can be confirmed about 002's characteristics ...
What knowledge about standard displacement or full load of Type 002 do we have?
 

Blitzo

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What knowledge about standard displacement or full load of Type 002 do we have?

I'll give the rundown of the whole list:
-conventionally powered
-catapults (not yet known if steam or EM cat), at least two catapults possibly three
-to be built at JNCX
-displacement repeatedly cited as "slightly below 80k tons" but unknown if that refers to standard displacement or full


So, for a conventionally powered carrier, with 2-3 catapults with let's say a full displacement of slightly under 80k tons, well anyone can draw a doodle for a ship that fulfills those parameters. However, there's a difference between fulfilling those broad parameters of 002 and actually drawing a sketch that depicts the actual design of what 002 will look like.
 
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