CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

Blitzo

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so what the heck did they start to build in 2015? LHD?? This news sound like follow on in Dalian, after 001 A start swimming ....

Apparently, nothing is the probable answer.

The original mention of "March 2015" in the video referred explicitly to JNCX, not DL, from what I remember. I'm not sure when it was taken -- if it was a few years ago then it is possible that things had changed since then, if it was recent then it is possible that he had incorrect information.

There is no reason to think that it is referring to a follow on carrier at DL... :confused:
We would have had rumours about such a thing years ago, if it were true.
 

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Some recent news on the Type 002 from Big Cat, both good and bad.

The bad news is that work has yet to officially start on the Type 002. Despite what was said on whatever talk show about steel-cutting in 2015, that was likely false information.

The good news is that there is an ongoing competition between the steam and EM catapults. In other words, the EM catapult is a serious contender, and the potential capability of the EM cat is clearly important enough to the PLAN that construction is delayed by at least a year to begin in 2017!

Moreover, a general consensus has been reached that the 002 will probably have 3 catapults. However, there is a possibility that the delay in construction might not be related to the catapult debate. There is still too much we don't know about at the moment.

Finally, fzgfzy also mentioned that if he were to leak the anticipated launch date of the Type 001A, it would be a shocker (at least, that's how I interpreted his statement). Whether it would be shockingly soon or shockingly late, we don't know. I'd rather it be the former.

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Can you clarify which part of fzgfzy's post says that work has yet to officially start on 002? I've just re-read his posts on the first page of the thread a few times and I can't see him explicitly saying so.

Also, from what I can see the "general consensus" about three catapults in that thread does not seem to be fzgfzy saying so but rather by other members? Though I remember a couple months back fzgfzy did state himself that he believed it would have three catapults.
 

Mirabo

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Can you clarify which part of fzgfzy's post says that work has yet to officially start on 002? I've just re-read his posts on the first page of the thread a few times and I can't see him explicitly saying so.

Also, from what I can see the "general consensus" about three catapults in that thread does not seem to be fzgfzy saying so but rather by other members? Though I remember a couple months back fzgfzy did state himself that he believed it would have three catapults.

Post #10 in source thread by fgzfzy:
目前还没有正式开工,电和蒸在PK中,和002开工有多大关系还不知道

"Currently work [on the 002] has not yet officially begun, the catapult competition is ongoing, and there is a lot regarding 002's construction that we still don't know about."

As for the "general consensus" regarding the 3 catapults, I was referring to the persistent opinion on the Chinese forums that emerged following fzgfzy's claim a couple of months back.
 

asif iqbal

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One good indication is that J15A the CATOBAR version made its maiden flight in 2016

J15 flew about 6 -7 years ago and landed on the Liaoning around 4 years ago so by that time frame we can say we are close to 002

Personally I believe 002 will emerge in JNCX next year for sure

That demo module appeared in 2013 so I would not be surprised if steel for 002 has been cut and keel laid in 2016

Modules will follow

But let's be honest when it happens we will see it
 

Mirabo

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I'd like to clarify something regarding my previous few posts in this thread.

It looks like what fgzfzy meant about construction not having started in 2015 was referring to assembly. I'm willing to believe that steel-cutting started in March 2015 due to the abundance of sources claiming such, but one thing that's certainly not true is keel-laying in 2015. This may be what fgzfzy was referring to.

Furthermore, it is likely that some modules have already been fabricated, considering how steel cutting (seems to have) started almost 2 years ago. However, the modules for the upper hull forward of the arresting cables might still be waiting for confirmation of the catapult decision before those are made. This part is purely my personal speculation.

By "officially" starting construction, I believe that fzgfzy was referring to keel-laying and assembly, and not steel-cutting as I previously thought.

Another thing is that we still don't know if the catapults will be steam or EM. About a year ago, the consensus (from big shrimp comments) was that it would use steam cats, but that has since started leaning more towards electromagnetic. However, some recent articles have started claiming that 002 will feature steam catapults, though I would take this with a grain of salt as the source article about the steam cats is highly flawed.
 

Intrepid

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However, the modules for the upper hull forward of the arresting cables might still be waiting for confirmation of the catapult decision before those are made.
The installation below flightdeck will be quite the same regardless of steam or electromagnetic (both kinds of catapult uses the same track). The differences are deep in the hull below the waterline, if the carrier needs steam reservoires or an electric distribution system with flywheels and much more powerfull generators.
 

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Details about the project of the new Chinese aircraft carrier 002

According to Mikhail Korostik in the
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" The Chinese aircraft carrier armed with catapults ," published by the newspaper " Kommersant ", the Chinese media published the first details of the construction at shipyards in Shanghai in a third country carrier. According to sources, the Hong Kong newspaper South China Morning Post (SCMP), close to the Chinese Navy leadership, the aircraft carrier will be equipped with a steam catapult, not the take-off ramp, like his two predecessors. It is possible that the necessary detailed data to create catapults were obtained by visiting Chinese military Crimean polygon thread. Upon completion, China will have the second largest number of operating aircraft carrier fleet of the world,
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The fact that China will be built two new aircraft carriers, it became known in 2013, but in August 2016 some information was only the first of them, Type001A. In August, the special Chinese sites began to appear Corps photos Type 002, standing on the Shanghai shipyards of Jiangnan Shipyard. At that time it was not yet clear whether the ship installed steam or mass driver. This question is of fundamental importance, since the presence of an electromagnetic catapult would indicate that the new Chinese aircraft carrier will have a nuclear installation and its level will be comparable to the newest American aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford. As reported yesterday SCMP close to the leadership of the Chinese Navy sources, the installation of nuclear engines on ships in the country while "there are problems".

It turned out that the new aircraft carrier will be equipped with at least three steam catapults. This is standard equipment of American ships of this class allows you to run large aircraft weight. But for the Chinese Navy is to be a significant breakthrough: the aircraft carrier "Liaoning" (the former Soviet aircraft carrier "Varyag"), and the Type 001A equipped with only a takeoff ramp. It does not ensure the rise of aircraft with a maximum take-off weight, which is why the Chinese carrier-based fighter J-15 is carried out training flights or with incomplete fuel tank, without any of the weapons. Using a steam catapult will allow to eliminate these problems. "Some time ago in the network has J-15 pictures with a modified landing gear, which allow us to determine that the fighters can be launched from a catapult," - said "Kommersant"

The new Chinese aircraft carrier will have a displacement of about 85 thousand. Tonnes. His descent to the water, according to Hong Kong-based military expert Liang Gaulle, will not happen before 2021. The date of the descent to Type 001A water called in 2017, but its full inclusion in the battle groups will take at least another three or four years. The only current Chinese aircraft carrier "Liaoning" is currently being used purely as a training and in combat operations does not participate. His last campaign was held at the end of December 2016, when the "Liaoning" first came out in the Pacific Ocean, passing, to the displeasure of Tokyo between the Japanese islands of Miyako and Okinawa.

Vasily Kashin also pointed out that the Chinese steam catapult could easily be created using Soviet technology. "A sample of the Soviet pilot catapults for aircraft carriers has been placed on the Crimean range thread, and it is known that the Chinese are actively explored all there", - noted in conversation with a "b" expert. Polygon thread, located near the town of Saki in the Crimea, was built in the late 1970s. He has a trainer steam catapults, although none of the Soviet ship of this unit and have not received. Before the change of jurisdiction of the Crimea in 2014, the Chinese are actively studied NITKA scheme and built in his own likeness test site in Liaoning Province. Based on satellite imagery in November 2016, this range simulators installed both vapor and electromagnetic catapults.

After the election of Donald Trump, the US president on the network began to appear more and more information about the first secret Chinese weapons samples. According to Vasily Kashin, this may be due to the aggressive rhetoric of the new head of the White House, has promised to start a trade war with China and plan to block her access to the islands of the South China Sea. After the commissioning of the aircraft carriers and Type 001A Type 002 the total number of ships of this class in Beijing will reach three, which would put the country on the second place after the United States among them. This, according to the Chinese public's 2013-2016 strategic documents, would allow the country to move from "coastal protection operations" to "in the open waters of the operations."

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Details about the project of the new Chinese aircraft carrier 002

According to Mikhail Korostik in the
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" The Chinese aircraft carrier armed with catapults ," published by the newspaper " Kommersant ", the Chinese media published the first details of the construction at shipyards in Shanghai in a third country carrier. According to sources, the Hong Kong newspaper South China Morning Post (SCMP), close to the Chinese Navy leadership, the aircraft carrier will be equipped with a steam catapult, not the take-off ramp, like his two predecessors. It is possible that the necessary detailed data to create catapults were obtained by visiting Chinese military Crimean polygon thread. Upon completion, China will have the second largest number of operating aircraft carrier fleet of the world,
0cB8hzH.jpg


The fact that China will be built two new aircraft carriers, it became known in 2013, but in August 2016 some information was only the first of them, Type001A. In August, the special Chinese sites began to appear Corps photos Type 002, standing on the Shanghai shipyards of Jiangnan Shipyard. At that time it was not yet clear whether the ship installed steam or mass driver. This question is of fundamental importance, since the presence of an electromagnetic catapult would indicate that the new Chinese aircraft carrier will have a nuclear installation and its level will be comparable to the newest American aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford. As reported yesterday SCMP close to the leadership of the Chinese Navy sources, the installation of nuclear engines on ships in the country while "there are problems".

It turned out that the new aircraft carrier will be equipped with at least three steam catapults. This is standard equipment of American ships of this class allows you to run large aircraft weight. But for the Chinese Navy is to be a significant breakthrough: the aircraft carrier "Liaoning" (the former Soviet aircraft carrier "Varyag"), and the Type 001A equipped with only a takeoff ramp. It does not ensure the rise of aircraft with a maximum take-off weight, which is why the Chinese carrier-based fighter J-15 is carried out training flights or with incomplete fuel tank, without any of the weapons. Using a steam catapult will allow to eliminate these problems. "Some time ago in the network has J-15 pictures with a modified landing gear, which allow us to determine that the fighters can be launched from a catapult," - said "Kommersant"

The new Chinese aircraft carrier will have a displacement of about 85 thousand. Tonnes. His descent to the water, according to Hong Kong-based military expert Liang Gaulle, will not happen before 2021. The date of the descent to Type 001A water called in 2017, but its full inclusion in the battle groups will take at least another three or four years. The only current Chinese aircraft carrier "Liaoning" is currently being used purely as a training and in combat operations does not participate. His last campaign was held at the end of December 2016, when the "Liaoning" first came out in the Pacific Ocean, passing, to the displeasure of Tokyo between the Japanese islands of Miyako and Okinawa.

Vasily Kashin also pointed out that the Chinese steam catapult could easily be created using Soviet technology. "A sample of the Soviet pilot catapults for aircraft carriers has been placed on the Crimean range thread, and it is known that the Chinese are actively explored all there", - noted in conversation with a "b" expert. Polygon thread, located near the town of Saki in the Crimea, was built in the late 1970s. He has a trainer steam catapults, although none of the Soviet ship of this unit and have not received. Before the change of jurisdiction of the Crimea in 2014, the Chinese are actively studied NITKA scheme and built in his own likeness test site in Liaoning Province. Based on satellite imagery in November 2016, this range simulators installed both vapor and electromagnetic catapults.

After the election of Donald Trump, the US president on the network began to appear more and more information about the first secret Chinese weapons samples. According to Vasily Kashin, this may be due to the aggressive rhetoric of the new head of the White House, has promised to start a trade war with China and plan to block her access to the islands of the South China Sea. After the commissioning of the aircraft carriers and Type 001A Type 002 the total number of ships of this class in Beijing will reach three, which would put the country on the second place after the United States among them. This, according to the Chinese public's 2013-2016 strategic documents, would allow the country to move from "coastal protection operations" to "in the open waters of the operations."

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To 85000 tons a Kitty Hawk for size enough big.
 

Intrepid

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This question is of fundamental importance, since the presence of an electromagnetic catapult would indicate that the new Chinese aircraft carrier will have a nuclear installation and its level will be comparable to the newest American aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford.
There is no compelling relationship between electromagnetic catapults and nuclear propulsion.


The question of whether electromagnetic catapults or steam catapults are used is, in principle, interesting. In the end one does not recognize, however, which kind of catapults are installed. So no matter what the first CATOBAR carrier gets.
 
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