CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

nicky

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take a closer look at the hard surface: it's later than the areal posted here in July.
must be fresh.
 

Intrepid

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The length of the blue line is about 300 meters. That place is a rather small place for a drydock to build carriers I think.

Are we correct in our assumption that the 3rd Chinese aircraft carrier will be built there in the future? Or are only modules manufactured there and then shipped by water anywhere?

Or is this a place to store modules that are currently not needed? For example, a module with installations that serve steam catapults and which was sorted out?
 

Figaro

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The length of the blue line is about 300 meters. That place is a rather small place for a drydock to build carriers I think.

Are we correct in our assumption that the 3rd Chinese aircraft carrier will be built there in the future? Or are only modules manufactured there and then shipped by water anywhere?

Or is this a place to store modules that are currently not needed? For example, a module with installations that serve steam catapults and which was sorted out?
I thought some members said large modules were manufactured at different sites and then shipped to the assembly area (i.e. Queen Elizabeth carrier approach). Also, the 003 comes with EM catapults, not steam ... this was decided over a year ago.
 

Klon

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from POP3. Not much is definitively stated, but still. The antepenultimate paragraph is about the catapults and the penultimate one is about the propulsion.
Discussion on Several Problems of the Third (Third Type) Aircraft Carrier of the Chinese Navy

The second carrier of the Chinese Navy has already piloted the platform for the first time. After the mooring test of the combat system and the aviation system is completed, the combat system and the aviation system will be tested. The delivery next year should ensure that the various forms of the aircraft carrier are no longer suspense. Such as the use of steam power and skid take-off. The shape of the third (third type) aircraft carrier, the mystery has not yet been revealed, here some analysis and discussion. It should be noted that the views expressed are representative of personal and unofficial views, and the correctness is not guaranteed. It is only personal analysis and discussion. Welcome to explore but not to attack.

The Chinese aircraft carrier project has gone through three processes. The "707" aircraft carrier project in the 1970s and the "891" aircraft carrier project in the 1980s were fruitless. The third "048" aircraft carrier project finally opened the door of the Chinese aircraft carrier and was able to Sustained development, the so-called "707", "891" and "048" are the continuation of China's time-based engineering code. Although the development history of China's previous aircraft carriers is relatively independent, there is still a certain correlation between them, especially the correlation between the "891" project and the "048" project. The “048” aircraft carrier project has determined the 16-word principle of “coordinating planning, step-by-step implementation, focusing on me and supporting development” and the overall concept of two phases in three steps. It is determined that the “Varyag” will be rebuilt first. On the aircraft carrier, the domestically produced catapult type aircraft carrier and nuclear power aircraft carrier were developed.

Although the “048” aircraft carrier project has formulated a general plan and long-term plan for the development of the Chinese aircraft carrier, “the plan is not as good as change”, and the change is normal. With the development of China’s national strength and the improvement of science and technology and the needs of the national military strategy, the original Planning will also show its limitations, so changes are inevitable and it is impossible to stick to the rules. One change that has been identified in 2008 is the decision to add a self-made slide-type aircraft carrier in 2008, the second aircraft carrier in China, which was not included in the original “048” aircraft carrier project. The current possible changes are mainly concentrated on the tonnage size of the third aircraft carrier in China, the type of power used and the type of ejection and the type of carrier aircraft to be carried.

At the beginning of the "048" aircraft carrier project, the first catapult aircraft carrier was a large-scale aircraft carrier of 68,000 tons, using steam-powered and steam-launched aircraft carriers. These related equipments were developed and deployed immediately after the "048" project planning. The progress, such as the blocking device, has been applied to the first and second aircraft carriers. The high-power steam power plant was successfully developed in 2008 and installed on the second aircraft carrier. The second Chinese aircraft carrier can be successfully designed. And it was built thanks to the successful development of high-power steam power plants. The development and deployment of the steam ejection device was also early, and the prototype development and test was completed in 2011. On this basis, the main obstacles and difficulties of the domestically launched missile carrier were solved. Therefore, the comprehensive project of the third aircraft carrier was in 2011. At the end of the year, it became a matter of course.

However, the situation has changed since then. For example, the electromagnetic project was able to be established and developed rapidly in the second half of 2011. This was unforeseeable when the “048” aircraft carrier project was planned. Electromagnetic ejection device is undoubtedly the future development direction of aircraft carrier ejection device because of its many advantages. The third Chinese aircraft carrier developed with the electromagnetic ejection device has adopted the steam ejection device scheme. After the technical design is basically completed, it is found that there may be another choice. This is a happy "尴尬", to "blame" "Over the years, China has experienced explosive growth in the field of military technology. And what kind of ejection device will be adopted by China's third aircraft carrier? The decision-making layer needs to be scientifically and comprehensively considered from the aspects of technological advancement, reliability, and implementability. It also needs to be considered from the perspective of modifying the technical design. After all, ejection As one of the core equipment of the aircraft carrier, the modification design involves many aspects, such as power system, structural layout, electromagnetic compatibility design and modification of warfare technical indicators. Finally, no matter what kind of ejection device is used, I believe that it is the best result of the full and comprehensive consideration of the Military Commission.

China's third aircraft carrier was based on the design of a high-power steam installation. The nuclear power plant of the aircraft carrier has not yet been developed. The existing legend has to be changed to a nuclear power plant, but it has a negative view. The selection of all military ship power units is critical to the design of the model, and the design is modified after the technical design is generally completed. The workload is huge, such as the hull structure, the general layout of the cabin, and the propulsion system. The power supply system, protection design, etc. must be completely redesigned, which is equivalent to returning to the initial point of the design, re-compilation of the "General Requirements for Development" and "Development Task Book". The superiority of the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier is self-evident, and it must be the direction of the future development of the Chinese aircraft carrier. However, with China’s current harsh situation, does China have any time to wait? It seems that some clues can be seen from the fact that the Chinese Navy has built some new ships "crazy" in these years.

Finally, I talked about the view of the carrier aircraft. The Chinese catapult type aircraft carrier must be on the fixed-wing carrier aircraft. This is no suspense. However, the carrier-based fixed-wing combat aircraft should still be dominated by the J-15 aircraft. The landing gear-reinforced 歼-15, which was exposed several years ago near the Shanghai Steam Ejection Test Site, also illustrates some problems. The Chinese Navy has been in contact with the 611 for four generations of aircraft on board before 2008. However, it seems that the progress is not satisfactory. After all, the Navy’s development control capability for the carrier aircraft is not as good as that of the aircraft carrier itself, although the Navy’s original idea was The catapult type aircraft carrier is on the fourth generation machine, but this idea may be delayed. The J-15 aircraft will probably remain the main carrier combat aircraft for a period of time.

From the comments:
Sorry, the last paragraph of "China's catapult type aircraft carrier must be on the fixed-wing carrier aircraft, this has no suspense" should be "Chinese catapult type aircraft carrier must be fixed-wing aircraft-borne early warning aircraft, this has no suspense", only found after the completion, Weibo cannot be changed.
 

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from POP3. Not much is definitively stated, but still. The antepenultimate paragraph is about the catapults and the penultimate one is about the propulsion.


From the comments:

A key point is this:
The Chinese Navy has been in contact with the 611 for four generations of aircraft on board before 2008. However, it seems that the progress is not satisfactory. After all, the Navy’s development control capability for the carrier aircraft is not as good as that of the aircraft carrier itself, although the Navy’s original idea was The catapult type aircraft carrier is on the fourth generation machine, but this idea may be delayed. The J-15 aircraft will probably remain the main carrier combat aircraft for a period of time.

I'm not going to bother copying & pasting the original text, but I recall that the original post mentioned that POP3 still expects the J-15B to be the mainstay of the carrier air groups for quite some time. Now it seems that CAC's carrier-borne fighter proposal is in trouble (a point also mirrored by Gongke101).
 

Klon

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A key point is this:


I'm not going to bother copying & pasting the original text, but I recall that the original post mentioned that POP3 still expects the J-15B to be the mainstay of the carrier air groups for quite some time.
This very quote says that.


Now it seems that CAC's carrier-borne fighter proposal is in trouble (a point also mirrored by Gongke101).
Maybe, although it's not explicitly said (i.e., there are other possibilities).
 

nicky

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the new production area currently under development is too huge, isolated and protected (for just elements).
two construction halls are simply giant (bigger than any others around).
this pattern of industrial expansion highly resembles similar developments now going on at huludao bohai (nuke subs construction).
construction of a big hull does not require a graving dock:
here's a pic of a floating platform big enough for a carrier.
the basin itself might be shallow, all they need is to open up a passage, which is simple.

changxingdao.jpg
 

Orthan

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The length of the blue line is about 300 meters. That place is a rather small place for a drydock to build carriers I think.

Are we correct in our assumption that the 3rd Chinese aircraft carrier will be built there in the future? Or are only modules manufactured there and then shipped by water anywhere?

Or is this a place to store modules that are currently not needed? For example, a module with installations that serve steam catapults and which was sorted out?

If its 300 meters length, then this is probably going to be "liaoning with catapults".
 

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Even if the carrier isn't any longer or wider than Liaoning, there is quite a bit of room for improvements, if various elements are switched around. New tech should allow for less crew space, meaning more space for other stuff, for example.

While there's a high chance PLAN's carrier will feature two elevators, and due to possible conventional propulsion, the island will be a bit more forward, so the exhaust can be integrated in it, there's still a bunch of parking space possible. If I had drawn planes over the middle elevator, that'd be another 4 planes parked. That'd be 16 planes parked without any catapult obstructed, with 2 elevators not counted as carrying planes. Realistically, 2-4 more planes would/could be placed prepped for launch on catapults and parked on elevators, as those positions are a natural part of the deck cycle. So something like 18-20 planes on the deck, as a normal number. This layout also doesn't suppose a bigger hangar. But if slightly elongated, or slightly wider, one should fairly easily park another 15+ planes inside it. So something like 34+ J15 planes may be quite doable even for a carrier that's visually not noticeably bigger than Liaoning.
 
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