SinoSoldier
Colonel
What makes them look like ELINT pods rather than wingtip hardpoints?
CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread
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What makes them look like ELINT pods rather than wingtip hardpoints?
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Debatable
I am willing to be convinced otherwise
I am willing to be convinced otherwise
Those will be amazing achievements...and I believe we will see even more.
We'll see...but I believe they have made that model far to muchlike the Ford and its air wing.
A Ford type Island. X-47B like drones. A J-20 carrier type (which I believe will not come about, though I do believe the PLAN will ultimately have a carrier based 5th gen aircraft.
The PLAN, IMHO, is going to produce two conventionally powere CVs first, and ten years from now the second of those will already be commissioned and the first nuclear carrier may have been launched.
We shall see what it looks like then.
I believe it will look a lot like thier CATOBAR carriers, but a little larger and for sure with EMALS and nulear power...and they will build two of them. By the time the second one of those launches and is commissioned, I believe they will maintain that six carrier count, with the next one after that replacing the Liaoning when it reaches its end of life around 2042 or so.
Time will tell.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Personally, I think they will take a leaf from the UK QE2 class and design a removable ski ramp.
It will start off as a ski jump and cats hybrid, both to mitigate risk and also to allow them to continue using existing J15s.
But once the EMAL technology has been perfected and proven to be up to scratch, they can remove the ski jump and put in another pair of EMALs during a MLU or even special upgrade visit to the shipyard.
The first J15s would be pretty battered and nearing retirement, and any remaining hours could be spent at the land based training facility as they get replaced by newer cat capable J15s or future naval 5th gen on the carriers.
There have been conflicting reports about whether CV-18 and CV-19 will have steam cats or EMALS. Earlier reports claimed steam cats and fossil fueled steam turbines, but most of the newer reports claim EMALS and gas turbine powered IEP. There were reports shortly after the launch of CV-17 that construction of CV-18 was being delayed due to design changes but construction is now confirmed to be underway. Based on what I have read, my guess is that the PLAN originally intended to use steam cats and steam turbines for the Type 002 class but revised the design due to better than expected progress with their EMALS and IEP projects.
Continued from previous response to Tsavo Lion because I was having issues with the edit function:
According to Chinese news reports, the Type 002 class will have at least 3 cats, which suggests no bow ramp. From what I understand, the PLAN concluded based on its experiences with CV-16 that ramps have too many limitations and that cats are the way to go for the future. There were complaints that the J-15 was underperforming due to launch weight restrictions when using CV-16's ramp. So I don't believe the PLAN will use a bow ramp on any of its carrier designs after CV-17.
According to Chinese news reports, the Type 002 class will have at least 3 cats, which suggests no bow ramp. From what I understand, the PLAN concluded based on its experiences with CV-16 that ramps have too many limitations and that cats are the way to go for the future. There were complaints that the J-15 was underperforming due to launch weight restrictions when using CV-16's ramp. So I don't believe the PLAN will use a bow ramp on any of its carrier designs after CV-17.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
I think that’s pretty much the assumption by most of us even from years ago.
The Kutz/Liaoning class is the last of its kind.
A big bird like flanker with high T/O weight is best suited for cat launch. Everyone and their grandma knows it. PLAN had to settled for a ‘lesser’ carrier and make the best out of it because they lacked the technical expertise then and NATO was not going to sell them one but you can bet their first true indigenous carrier will be a true full deck supercarrier. .