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Yes, finally headed to Hainan. This might be the ship's new perma-home and with the new drydock, no need to swim back to Dalian for small things. I expect it to exercise or work with the Type 075 there.

We are going to miss all the close up sharp pictures of the ship in Dalian.
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It uses Qingdao as its main base. Who do you think that falls under. Whose ships do you think would more often escort the Liaoning?

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That was the SCS review. The 117 Xining is used with the 70th PLAN anniversary review, set in Qingdao.




And I keep telling you --- and that's also part of the report by Taiwan intelligence --- the trip to Sanya is done because it was too cold in Qingdao. Ships from the north would occasionally come down to the south in the winter months to exercise in the warmer weather. How many times do I have to tell you over and over that? That is something Taiwan authorities have long observed over the years.



Not important at all. China's tech revolution is actually well distributed. Where do you think Huawei's main research center is located at? Tencent? Loongson? None of it also matters.

The fleets being faced by the SSF is a lot more weaker than the NSF. Its been a while that they needed to redress this balance.



Australia is much farther from the Chinese coast than Japan or S. Korea. India is even further away. Japan and S. Korea has navies stronger than India and Australia, not to mention the 7th Fleet is based in Japan.

Your attempt to question the military superiority the NSF faces on their side is quite frankly ridiculous to even brought it up.



What's missing is the other CCP higher ups, Politburo, etc,. People who may not go to Sanya due to the sudden notice, but could easily go to Qingdao from Beijing because its much closer.




There is no fact. Each of the barracks ships are made for each of the ships' crews. Period. That's why there are two of these ships in the first place.

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So now you are admitting that the Shandong will be permanently based in Hainan instead of Qingdao eh ?
Called it ages ago, if the PLAN wanted the Shandong to be at Qingdao they would have done the commissioning ceremony there.
 
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So now you are admitting that the Shandong will be permanently based in Hainan instead of Qingdao eh ?
Called it ages ago, if the PLAN wanted the Shandong to be at Qingdao they would have done the commissioning ceremony there.
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Seems to be that way now.

Long ago, when the way they named the ships, based on the locations of the cities they are named on, you have a good inkling on where they are going to be based. For example, the Zhuhai/Luda and Zhanjiang/Luda are on the south while Dalian/Luda are assigned to the north. Shenzhen/051B is assigned to the south, and so is Guangzhou/052B. Hanzhou/Sov, Ningbo/Sov and Fuzhou/Sov are assigned to the East fleet and these are names of coastal cities in the east. Shenyang/051C is assigned to the north. Then they begin to gradually break away from that tradition.

It may have been the original plans for the Shandong is a northern deployment, till someone higher up like Xi Jing Ping wanted a sudden change in plans and wanted the ship to the south for obvious reasons. Almost every trial the Shandong conducted are in the northern waters and barely conducted any trials at the south. It would be 003 that would see the southern assignment.

Shandong might only be in the south because the winter up north is usually very bitter, making it difficult for training exercises. If Shandong stays in Hainan after spring, more or less her deployment to the south is permanent. But if she moves up again, then its another change of mind, or she's just south to weather the season.
 
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Seems to be that way now.

Long ago, when the way they named the ships, based on the locations of the cities they are named on, you have a good inkling on where they are going to be based. For example, the Zhuhai/Luda and Zhanjiang/Luda are on the south while Dalian/Luda are assigned to the north. Shenzhen/051B is assigned to the south, and so is Guangzhou/052B. Hanzhou/Sov, Ningbo/Sov and Fuzhou/Sov are assigned to the East fleet and these are names of coastal cities in the east. Shenyang/051C is assigned to the north. Then they begin to gradually break away from that tradition.

It may have been the original plans for the Shandong is a northern deployment, till someone higher up like Xi Jing Ping wanted a sudden change in plans and wanted the ship to the south for obvious reasons. Almost every trial the Shandong conducted are in the northern waters and barely conducted any trials at the south. It would be 003 that would see the southern assignment.

Shandong might only be in the south because the winter up north is usually very bitter, making it difficult for training exercises. If Shandong stays in Hainan after spring, more or less her deployment to the south is permanent. But if she moves up again, then its another change of mind, or she's just south to weather the season.
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Just ticking down the ports where Shandong had docked just to keep tabs :
1) Qingdao=0
2)Yulin=2

Trials in the north can be simply explained as the it will be closer to Dalian for emergency repairs, That's all.
 
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Just ticking down the ports where Shandong had docked just to keep tabs :
1) Qingdao=0
2)Yulin=2

Trials in the north can be simply explained as the it will be closer to Dalian for emergency repairs, That's all.
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Qingdao doesn't do repairs. Even Liaoning goes back to Dalian for fixes. If there are things that have to be done with the Shandong, it still has to be on Dalian.

075 is trialing in Hainan, that's not close to Shanghai. There is a 055 doing trials there in Hainan. A 052DL (no. 162) is doing trials just north of Hainan in Zhanjiang, not sure if this is a Jiangnan or Dalian made ship, which in any case is far.

PLAN appears to have changed their trials policy. There is a first stage where the shipyard trials the ship for basic issues. The second stage is where the PLAN takes over and trials the ships right around the base and the waters it plans to be assigned on. This appears meant to account for the local variables that won't be accounted if the ship is trialed near the shipyard waters.

Trials in local waters where the ship is expected to be assigned is necessary to test the cooling systems and how the ship performs under the different water and temperature conditions. Shandong, the 055 and the 052D puts more demands in their cooling systems thanks to their huge AESAs. Shandong first run to Hainan, she was pumping much water out of her hull. Second time, not so much. Maybe they have improved something during her stay in Dalian.

Other trials in the north is due to planes that maybe flying from Liaoning to Shandong, or from the PLANAF J-15 training base somewhere in the north. Shenyang AC, or SAC, makers of the Sino-Flankers is on a northern province, so easier to fly new J-15s down from factory or training base to the Shandong. Flight training is also easier up at the north, because flight traffic isn't as bad over the Bohai, versus this area of the South China Seas which is dense in commercial traffic. Once these pilots finish their qualifications, the new planes are delivered, they have to see how they will operate in the southern conditions. There is going to be military exercises over Hainan to be expected in the next few days.

If Shandong is positioned in the north, near the J-15 training base, then the ship is expected to perform as a training carrier. But if she is positioned to the south, she is more than just a training carrier now.
 
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