CV-17 Shandong (002 carrier) Thread I ...News, Views and operations

[Intrepid]

... a more effective entrance would've been him landing directly onto the CV-1X onboard a twin-seat J-15S or J-15D.

To do this, the ship should have generated some wind over the deck.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Not sure how official this is. It says "17 - Shandong" on it.

 

[SinoSoldier]

To do this, the ship should have generated some wind over the deck.

Nothing that a few plastic/glass panels couldn't fix. But again, we're talking about a country that more or less values its politburo leaders more than anything else.

 

[Intrepid]

Not sure how official this is. It says "17 - Shandong" on it.

... just as official as CV-1 "Shi Lang" was.

 

[Deino]

And the number is .... IMO not 17?

 

[Mirabo]

Thankfully, our spy shrimp is still alive.

He reports pennant number '17', pending confirmation.

 

[Blitzo]

If someone had the gall to do so, a more effective entrance would've been him landing directly onto the CV-1X onboard a twin-seat J-15S or J-15D.
But again, the Chinese are not known for this kind of pomp & circumstance.

I'm not sure why you'd speak of such a kind of entrance with anything approaching a positive or desirable air. "Had the gall" should be replaced with "lacked the brains and common sense".

Even leaving aside the much greater costs and difficulties of doing something like that (keeping in mind the ship will have to be moving at sea to generate wind over the flight deck), the sheer chauvinism of trying to generate that much extra spectacle for the commissioning of a ship is distasteful just to think about, given what commissioning of ships are like for all nations.

In fact, has there in history ever been a ship that has had its commissioning ceremony in such a manner like you've described? I cannot comprehend of it in the modern era.

Nothing that a few plastic/glass panels couldn't fix. But again, we're talking about a country that more or less values its politburo leaders more than anything else.

That's a hell of a strawman you're putting up, because you almost write it like there was an expectation for something ridiculously lavish and irresponsible like what you described for this ship's commissioning.

Just take a step back, and realize you've just now made a couple of posts giving the impression like it's positive or even reasonable for a nation to send its head of state onto a ship via a fixed wing aircraft during its commissioning ceremony, and that commissioning a ship at the pierside (like every virtually every single other normal navy in history) is somehow a thing to be looked down upon. What's more, you write as if a nation being cautious with the lives of its high level politicians is a bad thing???


Bizarre.

 

[SinoSoldier]

I'm not sure why you'd speak of such a kind of entrance with anything approaching a positive or desirable air. "Had the gall" should be replaced with "lacked the brains and common sense".

Even leaving aside the much greater costs and difficulties of doing something like that (keeping in mind the ship will have to be moving at sea to generate wind over the flight deck), the sheer chauvinism of trying to generate that much extra spectacle for the commissioning of a ship is distasteful just to think about, given what commissioning of ships are like for all nations.

In fact, has there in history ever been a ship that has had its commissioning ceremony in such a manner like you've described? I cannot comprehend of it in the modern era.

Relax; it was a lighthearted comment. Maybe I should've put in a few emojis to make that point. Of course they're not going to fly in the "Paramount Leader" in on a prototype plane and land on a brand-new vessel with other precious members of the Politburo nearby.

But there was nothing stopping them from transporting Xi in on a Z-18 helicopter.

That's a hell of a strawman you're putting up, because you almost write it like there was an expectation for something ridiculously lavish and irresponsible like what you described for this ship's commissioning.

Just take a step back, and realize you've just now made a couple of posts giving the impression like it's positive or even reasonable for a nation to send its head of state onto a ship via a fixed wing aircraft during its commissioning ceremony, and that commissioning a ship at the pierside (like every virtually every single other normal navy in history) is somehow a thing to be looked down upon. What's more, you write as if a nation being cautious with the lives of its high level politicians is a bad thing???


Bizarre.

Despite it being intended as a half-joke, do keep in mind that the Chinese, and the PLA in particular, are no strangers to undertaking bold risks. Such as testing a live atomic warhead on a barely-tested ballistic missile. Or landing on an airbase with a Q-5 laden with a live thermonuclear device with thousands of personnel still inside the compound.

 

[SinoSoldier]

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[Deino]

Come on guys ... it's Christmas time.
Let's stop discussing and arguing and please let us all focus on the new carrier and its commissioning.

Some rumors say it already has been commissioned and the number would also be "confirmed" ... any news on this?

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