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ZeEa5KPul

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Case in point: a few weeks ago you wanted to shutdown a conversation on the semiconductor thread because you thought it wasn't relevant to the thread and in the end you got slapped down by the mod there. So the conclusion we can draw from that story is that your judgement of what is good for forum conversations is probably not as good as you think it is
That's a conclusion we can draw. Another is that perhaps in that particular case my judgement was better than the mod's. Yet another is that that particular mod and I have a history which perhaps biases his judgement. There's any number of conclusions we can draw, voyager, and a reason I come off as grating to some people here is because I correct their fallacious logic like I just did with you.
My take, unless you think you are exceptional, if you see a garbage tweet, report it to the mods. I would rather trust a mod's judgement more than yours. Finally, if you come across a bad tweet why not respond and call them out if you think the tweet content is not good?
I don't think I'm exceptional, I think a few members here engage in behaviours - namely, excessively linking Twitter posts from problematic accounts - that drag the place down and that their behaviours should be corrected. Why is it you think my judgement has anything to do with this? Where is my judgement involved in what I proposed here:
I start this thread to advocate penalties for users who link Twitter excessively (even exclusively). I don't think Twitter should be forbidden entirely, however a conduit to a sewer should be handled with more care and discretion than is currently displayed.
Reporting is all well and good, but there's a qualitative difference between my engagement in this forum and that of heavy users like yourself. I've been a member here 4x longer than you have (if we count all your alts), yet you have 75% more posts than I do. I average fewer than 2 posts a day while you average 12. It's unusual enough that a mod noted it as he banned one of your previous alts
That's an order of magnitude difference I just can't compete with.
Be the change you want to make by actually acting as a normal forum member when you see a bad tweet.
Given the posting patterns you exhibit, I'm not sure I can agree with or even understand what you would consider a "normal forum member."
Call them out if you don't agree with the tweet, and I am sure that the other party would be happy to respond to you. Unless of course you are not confident in yourself, in which case you might as well as keep creating new threads and talking about stuff in general "oh they are garbage tweets but I won't tell you which exactly so I am creating a thread to vent"
I don't have any formal training in psychology, but the projection here is obvious even to a layman. You and a couple of others seem to have taken my post on the chin, even though I didn't name anyone in my original post or in any subsequent post. I'll leave it to the reader to conclude whatever he wishes from that observation.

Finally, voyager, if I could give you a piece of friendly advice - consider the philosophy of the greatest mathematician in history, Carl Friedrich Gauss, when it came to publishing his results: "Few, but ripe."
 

solarz

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I agree with @ZeEa5KPul, and I think the criteria we should apply is whether the tweet is informative or newsworthy, or is it just the personal/paid opinion of a random nobody?

Any opinion tweet from known shills should be discarded. If you think a tweet is funny, post it in the funny thread and not the breaking news thread.

I swear, it's come to a point where I have to scroll up and check the thread title to see whether I'm still in the Breaking News thread.
 

Overbom

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Another is that perhaps in that particular case my judgement was better than the mod's. Yet another is that that particular mod and I have a history which perhaps biases his judgement.
Are you suffering from persecution complex or what lol
The warning given to you was for a valid reason.

namely, excessively linking Twitter posts from problematic accounts -
Name them. Name their tweets. Name the tweet content that was problematic. What are all these generalisations about? If you have a problem with any post, respond to that post. Are you going to keep creating new threads everytime a post annoys you?

Reporting is all well and good, but there's a qualitative difference between my engagement in this forum and that of heavy users like yourself. I've been a member here 4x longer than you have (if we count all your alts), yet you have 75% more posts than I do. I average fewer than 2 posts a day while you average 12
Are you ok? Is there a limit on posting and I didn't notice? Its easy to criticise a post in 1 minute if it is that bad. "Don't have time" yeah ok

It's unusual enough that a mod noted it as he banned one of your previous alts
Oh you are now transcending spacetime and you know if an account is an alt, and if it is, to who it is linked to? I am impressed with how many things you can get away with when you are a protected member in this forum. Normal users would have been banned a long time ago

Maybe @Blitzo would care to chime in why he keeps geting away with this. He has called me multiple times an alt account over the months. Reported already over 10 times but he is still going strong. If he is a protected member (which he is) just mark it on his profile so that the rest of us know so that we don't waste our time using the report functionality
 
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solarz

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Maybe @Blitzo would care to chime in why he keeps geting away with this. He has called me multiple times an alt account over the months. Reported already over 10 times but he is still going strong. If he is a protected member (which he is) just mark it on his profile so that the rest of us know so that we don't waste our time using the report functionality

Methinks thou dost protest too much.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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It's perfectly transparent that your tirade is an attempt to derail the thread and get it locked. Why this thread is causing you such evident upset is unclear to me - nobody named you, nobody mentioned you, nobody even vaguely referenced you, yet you felt the need to come here and sprinkle your saliva.
Are you suffering from persecution complex or what lol
Speaking of persecution complexes...
Name them. Name their tweets. Name the tweet content that was problematic. What are all these generalisations about?
Are you ok? Is there a limit on posting and I didn't notice?
Oh you are now transcending spacetime and you know if an account is an alt, and if it is, to who it is linked to?

Are you going to keep creating new threads everytime a post annoys you?
Just as you're free to post with whatever frequency you like, I'm free to make as many suggestions to improve the forum as I like.
 
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Phead128

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The problem is what determines what's crappy or not? How can we assess that without discussing it first? If discussing crappy takes lowers the quality of the discussion, then let it be. Otherwise, we risk turning this forum into an echo chamber. The semiconductor threat is already mostly an echo chamber.
A good example is the recent Bloomberg article claiming Netherland/Japan has officially joined US semiconductor DUV ban on China. The Bloomberg turns out to be a terrible source, since even the Prime Minister of Netherlands came out with opposite position (no decision made, still in process). Yet Bloomberg source gets repeatedly posted which triggers off-topic discussion.... to the point that @tphuang now autodeletes Bloomberg as a source without additional specifics.

That was an glaring obvious example.... most other sources are in the "grey zone" where they are borderline inflammatory and not easily disproven. (e.g., "US tech bans means China set back to stone age!!") <-- how would anyone disprove this inflammatory-type low-IQ drivel? There is no good faith discussion to be had over posts like these.
 

Overbom

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It's perfectly transparent that your tirade is an attempt to derail the thread and get it locked.
I have already said my arguments about "garbage" tweets. Either report them or directly make a post and criticise the post

Why this thread is causing you such evident upset is unclear to me - nobody named you, nobody mentioned you, nobody even vaguely referenced you, yet you felt the need to come here and sprinkle your saliva.
You have an exclusive thread that prohibits people from posting now? Your thread is in the Feedback & Suggestion forum section that specifically accepts all forum members to contribute lol.

I had an issue with your suggestion so I posted a response to that. If you think that the thread is getting derailed then stop harassing me. We know you are protected class, is it too difficult to ask you to stop from showing it off? At least consider the people who turn a blind eye towards your harassment and insults, they cover up for you and you still behave publicly like that. Like, give them some face at least

There are others of the protected class but at least they are smart enough to not publicly create such a fuss. Is it too difficult to ask for you to stop insulting and harassing me?

Just as you're free to post with whatever frequency you like, I'm free to make as many suggestions to improve the forum as I like.
You are welcome to do make as many suggestions as you like. I don't have any issue with that as long as you don't insult or harass others
 

Overbom

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others might never be disproven (e.g., "US tech bans means China set back to stone age!!") <-- how would anyone disprove this inflammatory-type low-IQ drivel? There is no good faith discussion to be had over posts like these.
To be honest, tweets like you mentioned or "Thats it. Game over for China" should be automatically punished/warned/banned.

They don't make sense, and even if they did, there can be no discussion over them as they don't offer any serious arguments or data/info.

We had those tweets in the Ukrainian thread as well, but with the mod policy change on how that thread is monitored, their frequency has dramatically dropped (afaik). I think maybe an expansion of those policies in other threads should be considered.

From what I have seen, on the non-military threads, only the semiconductor thread is policed like that. The Breaking News World thread is mostly self-policed although it also needs mod intervention from time to time
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Are you suffering from persecution complex or what lol
The warning given to you was for a valid reason.


Name them. Name their tweets. Name the tweet content that was problematic. What are all these generalisations about? If you have a problem with any post, respond to that post. Are you going to keep creating new threads everytime a post annoys you?


Are you ok? Is there a limit on posting and I didn't notice? Its easy to criticise a post in 1 minute if it is that bad. "Don't have time" yeah ok


Oh you are now transcending spacetime and you know if an account is an alt, and if it is, to who it is linked to? I am impressed with how many things you can get away with when you are a protected member in this forum. Normal users would have been banned a long time ago

Maybe @Blitzo would care to chime in why he keeps geting away with this. He has called me multiple times an alt account over the months. Reported already over 10 times but he is still going strong. If he is a protected member (which he is) just mark it on his profile so that the rest of us know so that we don't waste our time using the report functionality
Ahh while I profoundly disagree with @ZeEa5KPul on this particular issue especially on this post he created I don't think your posts and his penchant to wanting to "better" the quality of discussion on this forum is particularly egregious enough to warrant some kind of punishment. I do agree that it's not helpful since thus far, it has yet to illicit a feedback that is headed in the direction he wants it to go. But as I mentioned and it's my firm belief that none of these actions warrant any disciplinary actions tantamount to limiting his ability to exercise his opinion on this forum and that includes yours and mine regarding OUR PRIVELIGES to participate in good faith arguments with one another, against each other from time to time.

I am well aware that at any time my posting privileges can be revoked at the discretion of the people in power on this forum, but am confident enough to know that if and when that happens I probably and more likely than not wrote something stupid, unbecoming and egregious enough to warrant such punishment.

I found both of your contributions equally valid, valuable, and your distinct characteristics and traits that what makes this forum fun, engaging, and entertaining for me at least to read, learn from, and occasionally laugh from.

The world is already a turbulent place let's not add this place to that.
 
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