Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
Registered Member

I hope they've been stealthily dumping treasuries. Then again stupid people are everywhere and in all governments.
Splendid, a fight where China has escalation dominance. China doesn't need to dump treasuries when the value of all US assets in China far exceeds what the US owes China and when every single one of those assets is readily confiscatable. China is going to get paid in full, one way or another.

In the process, it's going to make the US look like the banana republic it actually is. There's also this little issue:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
US law is fully on China's side. If the courts don't force the US government to pay China, that just shows everyone the US has no rule of law.
 

localizer

Colonel
Registered Member
Splendid, a fight where China has escalation dominance. China doesn't need to dump treasuries when the value of all US assets in China far exceeds what the US owes China and when every single one of those assets is readily confiscatable. China is going to get paid in full, one way or another.

In the process, it's going to make the US look like the banana republic it actually is. There's also this little issue:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
US law is fully on China's side. If the courts don't force the US government to pay China, that just shows everyone the US has no rule of law.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Shift everything to anti-China rhetoric. We're the new Jews.

@ZeEa5KPul post at sino if u haven't thx.
 

weig2000

Captain
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Some analysts are worried that the pressure from senior officials could distort assessments about the coronavirus and be used as a weapon in an escalating battle with China.

By
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
,
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
,
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
and
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
April 30, 2020Updated 1:17 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON — Senior Trump administration officials have pushed American spy agencies to hunt for evidence to support an unsubstantiated theory that a government laboratory in Wuhan, China, was the origin of the coronavirus outbreak, according to current and former American officials. The effort comes as President Trump escalates a public campaign to blame China for the pandemic.
Some intelligence analysts are concerned that the pressure from administration officials will distort assessments about the virus and that they could be used as a political weapon in an
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
with China over a disease that has infected
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
across the globe.

Most intelligence agencies remain skeptical that conclusive evidence of a link to a lab can be found, and scientists who have studied the genetics of the coronavirus say that the overwhelming probability is that it leapt from animal to human in a nonlaboratory setting, as was the case with H.I.V., Ebola and SARS.

Mr. Trump’s aides and
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
for the pandemic in part to deflect criticism of the administration’s
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
in the United States, which now has more coronavirus cases than any country. More than
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
have been infected, and more than 60,000
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

Secretary of State
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, a former C.I.A. director and the administration’s most vocal hard-liner on China, has taken the lead in pushing American intelligence agencies for more information, according to current and former officials.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, the deputy national security adviser who
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
as a journalist in China, has
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
off and on since January to gather information that might support any origin theory linked to a lab.

And
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, the head of the National Security Council’s bureau tracking weapons of mass destruction, expressed frustration during one videoconference in January that the C.I.A. was unable to get behind any theory of the outbreak’s origin. C.I.A. analysts responded that they simply did not have the evidence to support any one theory with high confidence at the time, according to people familiar with the conversation.

The C.I.A.’s judgment was based in part on the fact that no signs had emerged that the Chinese government believed the outbreak came from a lab. The Chinese government has vigorously denied that the virus leaked from a lab while
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
on its origins, including suggesting that the American military
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

Any American intelligence report blaming a Chinese institution and officials for the outbreak could significantly harm
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
for years to come. And Trump administration officials could use it to try to prod other nations to publicly hold China accountable for coronavirus deaths even when the pandemic’s exact origins cannot be determined.

The State Department declined to answer questions about Mr. Pompeo’s role. Spokesmen for the White House and the National Security Council declined to comment.

In a statement released on Thursday, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said that the intelligence community “will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.”

Intelligence agencies, the statement said, concur “with the wide scientific consensus that the Covid-19 virus was not man-made or genetically modified.”

NBC News
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
that administration officials had directed intelligence agencies to try to determine whether China and the World Health Organization hid information early on about the outbreak.

For months, scientists, spies and government officials have wrestled with varying theories about how the outbreak began, and many agree on the importance of determining the genesis of the pandemic. In government and academia, experts have
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
the notion that it was
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
. And they agree that the new pathogen began as a bat virus that evolved naturally, probably in another mammal, to become adept at infecting and killing humans.

A few scientists and national security experts have pointed to
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
infecting researchers to suggest it might have happened in this case, but many scientists have dismissed such theories.

“We do not believe any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible,” five scientists wrote in
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

Mr. Trump has spoken publicly about the administration’s “very serious investigations” of the virus’s origin and China’s culpability. Those inquiries took on new urgency in late March, when intelligence officials presented information to the White House that prompted some career officials to reconsider the lab theory. The precise nature of the information, based in part on intercepted communications among Chinese officials, is unclear.

The current and former officials did not say whether Mr. Trump himself, who has shown little regard for the independent judgments of intelligence and law enforcement officials, has pressured the intelligence agencies. But he does want any information supporting the lab theory to set the stage for holding China responsible, according to two people familiar with his thinking.

He has expressed interest in an idea pushed by
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, an informal China adviser to the White House, that Beijing could be sued for damages, with the United States seeking $10 million for every death. At a news conference this week, Mr. Trump said the administration was discussing a “very substantial” reparations claim against China — an idea that Beijing
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

“President Trump is demanding to know the origins of the virus and what Xi Jinping knew when about the cover-up,” Mr. Pillsbury said.

=================

To be continued ...
 

weig2000

Captain
...Continued

==============

Looking at the Labs
Major gaps remain in what is known about the new pathogen, including which kind of animal infected humans with the coronavirus and where the first transmission took place.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, the acting director of national intelligence, has told his agencies to make a priority of determining the virus’s origin. His office convened a review of intelligence officials on April 7 to see whether the agencies could reach a consensus. The officials determined that at least so far, they could not.

Intelligence officials have repeatedly pointed out to the White House that determining the origins of the outbreak is fundamentally a scientific question that cannot be solved easily by spycraft.

A former intelligence official described senior aides’ repeated emphasis of the lab theory as “conclusion shopping,” a disparaging term among analysts that has echoes of the Bush administration’s 2002 push for assessments saying that Iraq had weapons of mass of destruction and links to Al Qaeda, perhaps the most notorious example of the politicization of intelligence.

The C.I.A. has yet to unearth any data beyond circumstantial evidence to bolster the lab theory, according to current and former government officials, and the agency has told policymakers it lacks enough information to either affirm or refute it. Only getting access to the lab itself and the virus samples it contains could provide definitive proof, if it exists, the officials said.

The Defense Intelligence Agency recently changed its analytic position to formally
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
the possibility of a theory of lab origin, officials said. Senior agency officials have asked analysts to take a closer look at the labs.

The reason for the change is unclear, but some officials attributed it to the intelligence analyzed in recent weeks. Others took a more jaundiced view: that the agency is trying to curry favor with White House officials. A spokesman for the agency, James M. Kudla, disputed that characterization. “It’s not D.I.A.’s role to make policy decisions or value judgments — and we do not,” he said.

Some American officials have become convinced that Beijing is not sharing all it knows.

Among Mr. Trump’s top aides, Mr. Pompeo in particular has tried to hammer China over the lab. On Wednesday,
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
that the United States still had not “gained access” to the main campus of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, one of two sites that American officials who favor the lab accident theory have focused on, along with the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

Labs in Wuhan
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
and are known to American officials; they are part of a
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
to monitor viruses. The virology institute has
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
and training from American agencies and scientists.

Mr. Pompeo seemed to refer to internal information about the outbreak during
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
on April 17 with Hugh Hewitt, a conservative radio host.

“We know that the Chinese Communist Party, when it began to evaluate what to do inside of Wuhan, considered whether the W.I.V. was, in fact, the place where this came from,” said Mr. Pompeo, referring to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
The State Department declined to indicate what was behind his assertion.

Scientists Weigh In
Scientists who study the coronavirus have maintained that the initial spillover from animal to person could have occurred in any number of ways: at a farm where wild animals are raised, through accidental contact with a bat or another animal that carried the virus, or in hunting or transporting animals.

The scientists have also scrutinized the new pathogen’s genes, finding that they show great similarity to bat coronaviruses and bear no hints of human tampering or curation.

The odds were astronomical against a lab release as opposed to an event in nature, said Kristian G. Andersen, the lead author of the paper published
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
and a specialist in infectious disease at the Scripps Research Translational Institute in California.

He acknowledged that it was theoretically possible that a researcher had found the new virus, fully evolved, in a bat or other animal and taken it into the lab. But, he said, based on the evidence his team gathered and the numerous opportunities for infection in the interactions that many farmers, hunters and others have with wild animals, “there just isn’t a reason to consider the lab as a potential explanation.”

No evidence supports the theory that the coronavirus originated “in a laboratory either intentionally or by accident,” Daniel R. Lucey, an expert on pandemics at Georgetown University who has closely tracked what is known about the origins,
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

He
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
to share information about animals sold at a
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
that was linked to some of the earliest known cases of people infected with the virus, though not the first one. Dr. Lucey has raised questions about whether the market was, in fact, where the virus spilled over from animals to people. The limited information released about environmental samples taken from the market that were positive for the coronavirus
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
resolve whether the source was animals sold there or people working or visiting the market, or both, he wrote.

But Richard Ebright, a microbiologist and biosafety expert at Rutgers University, has argued that the probability of a lab accident was “substantial,” pointing to a history of such occurrences that have infected researchers. The Wuhan labs and other centers worldwide that examine naturally occurring viruses have questionable safety rules, he said, adding, “The standards are lax and need to be tightened.”

American officials said they closely watched China’s government this winter for signs of a lab accident but found nothing conclusive. In February, President Xi Jinping stressed the need for a plan to ensure the “biosafety and biosecurity of the country.” And the Ministry of Science and Technology announced new guidelines for laboratories, especially ones handling viruses.

Global Times, a popular state-run newspaper, then
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
on “chronic inadequate management issues” at laboratories, including problems with biological disposal.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
People have to remember that a lot of this is to get Trump voters to go vote in November. Yes he might act but the primary motivator in all of this is Trump is panicked over polls showing he might lose swing states. If you've notice Trump is going back to all rhetoric that he believes got him elected in 2016.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
I'm weak, have to quit reading at "Back in the ambulance, the man's blood pressure was so low that Storzillo couldn't find a vein to administer the drugs."
looking at the scrollbar, it's early inside
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Sorry to hear that. So should you be doing this? I'm not trying to tell you how to live your life. But just a friendly advise. Please get off till everything is ok.
 
Top