Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

supercat

Major
On April 3, excluding Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, there are 1 domestic new case and 18 imported cases. There are 11 suspected cases, all imported (chart 1). There are 64 new asymptomatic cases (chart 2). There are 4 deaths nationwide, all in Wuhan, Hubei (chart 3). There are 76,751 cured cases and 1,562 existing cases (chart 4). Cases in Hong Kong and Macau continue to rise (chart 5).

Chart 1:
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Chart 2:
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Chart 3:
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Chart 4:
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Chart 5:
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broadsword

Brigadier
Nice to see European solidarity at work here. The latest of an increasing line of shipments being diverted, intercepted and confiscated by one country over another. You better believe it, its every country for themselves now.

Turkey seizes 150 respirators from China bound for Spain.

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Who knew the toilet paper grab would be extended to that level by, of all people, governments?
 

Tam

Brigadier
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Nice to see European solidarity at work here. The latest of an increasing line of shipments being diverted, intercepted and confiscated by one country over another. You better believe it, its every country for themselves now.

Turkey seizes 150 respirators from China bound for Spain.

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Another act of 'piracy' as Germany accuses the US of redirecting a Chinese shipment of PPE headed to Berlin to the US.

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OppositeDay

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The Chinese might well be lying about the virus, but to see what likely happened there, we can figure out by take a look at the facts as we know in the West, which are undisputed.

1. In the U.S., while there were handful of cases, it really took off in about mid Feb. By the end of March, we are staring at tens of thousands of cases with multiple epicenters. That is with social distancing in effect around mid March and the media blasting 24/7. We see similar trajectory in Italy and other European countries. Once you got a few hundred cases, it ramps up very quickly.

2. Unrestricted travel while the virus is in the population mean it would spread to every state in the U.S., We are seeing this here. In less than two months time, we are looking at hundreds of thousands of cases in multiple epicenters.

3. The Chinese are as interconnected within China as the Americans are inside the U.S. You can take a high speed rail from one corner of the country to another.

4. The Chinese told the world about this at the end of 2019 (Dec. 29th).

5. The Chinese New Year is Jan. 25. Travel is the heaviest a week before that.

6. The Chinese locked down Wuhan on Jan. 23.

With all these facts, it is possible to see how long China (or the local government) managed to hide the true extent of the problem. We know with high certainty that travel restriction was not enacted before the lock down, or we would hear about this in social media. In a country the size of China, you simply can't enact travel restriction secretly, especially around Chinese New Year. We know that there weren't multiple epicenters in China, or the lock down would be extended to cities in other provinces. If the virus had started circulating at the beginning of Nov., with three months of unrestricted travel, you would definitely see it spread across much of the country with multiple epicenters. They could still contain it, but would have to lock down many other cities in other provinces Wuhan style. The numbers of dead in other parts of China would skyrocket. With the world looking at them intensely since the lock down, we have seen a handful of cities being locked down in the Province of Hubei but not outside it. Using a similar timeline as the epidemic happened in the West, we can deduce that single cases probably started popping up by early December and it really started with hundreds of cases by mid December. In the most egregious scenario, they withheld the information for about two weeks.

A few comments:

1. Chinese media first reported COVID-19 on Dec 30, and the Wuhan health authority publicly announced and reported to the WHO on Dec 31. So it's not Dec 29.

2. The lockdown began with Wuhan and Hubei, but soon spread to the rest of China. By the end of January virtually all cities and towns in China introduced stay-at-home order. Even Tibet, with only one single case, was in complete lockdown. Before the enforced stay at home order, massive social distancing measures were introduced at the same time of the Wuhan lockdown, which was just before the Chinese New Year. Cinema and places of worship were closed, public event cancelled and so on. Of course, it was the Chinese New Year so few people worked.

3. Investigative journalists, both Chinese and Western, have interviewed doctors in Wuhan, and the consensus was that the medical community in Wuhan only became aware of the mysterious pneumonia cases late into December. So it was very unlikely the government knew of the cases earlier. Indeed, no reputable figure in China, even those who are highly critical of the government's initial handling of the outbreak, claims that the government was hiding what was known as 'pneumonia of unknown etiology'. The main point of contention has always been whether the government (either central or local) had been withholding information on human to human transmission after they announced the pneumonia cases.

4. From interviews, even doctors who were critical of the government's failure to acknowledge human to human transmission earlier were surprised by the infectiousness and severity of the disease.
 

LesAdieux

Junior Member
how fast has the corona virus changed the world? the new oil cartel: US-Russia-Saudi triads has now replaced the OPEC.

over the years, numerous suits have been filed in the US courts against OPEC, the market manipulator, now America is part of it. and the department of Justice will look the other way. rule of law can only go that far.
 

reservior dogs

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A few comments:

1. Chinese media first reported COVID-19 on Dec 30, and the Wuhan health authority publicly announced and reported to the WHO on Dec 31. So it's not Dec 29.

2. The lockdown began with Wuhan and Hubei, but soon spread to the rest of China. By the end of January virtually all cities and towns in China introduced stay-at-home order. Even Tibet, with only one single case, was in complete lockdown. Before the enforced stay at home order, massive social distancing measures were introduced at the same time of the Wuhan lockdown, which was just before the Chinese New Year. Cinema and places of worship were closed, public event cancelled and so on. Of course, it was the Chinese New Year so few people worked.

3. Investigative journalists, both Chinese and Western, have interviewed doctors in Wuhan, and the consensus was that the medical community in Wuhan only became aware of the mysterious pneumonia cases late into December. So it was very unlikely the government knew of the cases earlier. Indeed, no reputable figure in China, even those who are highly critical of the government's initial handling of the outbreak, claims that the government was hiding what was known as 'pneumonia of unknown etiology'. The main point of contention has always been whether the government (either central or local) had been withholding information on human to human transmission after they announced the pneumonia cases.

4. From interviews, even doctors who were critical of the government's failure to acknowledge human to human transmission earlier were surprised by the infectiousness and severity of the disease.
I stand corrected on the date they announce it to the world. I was off by two days. I realize the rest of China was also locked down, but Wuhan and a few surrounding cities were much stricter compared to the rest of the cities. That is what I mean by Wuhan style.

What I am trying to do here, is to try to construct a timeline with only information that is undisputed by the Western media. I realize that it is clear to the Chinese that the time line was actually shorter than what I had described here, but many here, with a different frame of mind, will choose to ignore that evidence.
 
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