@Phead128 have you seen this study coming out from Israel? I understand that this study hasn't been peer reviewed but the findings of the experts here are going to excite people that are most ambivalent about these western covid-19 vaccines. What's your take on this study?I appreciate you taking the time to elaborate your concern.
The answer to your ideal option 2.3 scenario (e.g. "no vaccination + no COVID alternative") was already addressed was in a previous post a few pages back. It is repeated below with clarifications, see #1 bullet point with citation:
The #1 bullet is baseline risk in general population without COVID and no vaccination, which answer you question about option 2.3 scenario. It's not zero, but it close to zero. If you think 0.009% is basically zero, then I can argue 3.24X higher risk of vaccine-related myocarditis is also close to zero, since 324% of a tiny number is still a tiny number.
- 0.009% risk of myocarditis among UN-vaccinated without COVID. () (Note: this is baseline risk in general population)
- 3.24X higher risk or 0.026% risk of myocarditis among vaccinated without COVID
- ??? risk of myocarditis among vaccinated with COVID.
- 18.28X higher risk or 0.17% risk of myocarditis among UN-vaccinated infected with COVID.
In epidemiology, we say there is a statistically significant difference in the risk of myocarditis, but it might not be clinically meaningful difference because these numbers are so tiny that they don't make a real difference in the real world. Even myocarditis among UN-vaccinated with COVID is pretty damn small at 0.17%.
To be fair, I already addressed the "No vaccination with No COVID" scenario a few posts back. See first #1 bullet point.
You are free to critique the numbers. They show a non-zero risk of myocarditis even for UN-vaccinated and no COVID scenario. Yes, vaccines offer statistically significantly higher risk, and COVID offers even more risk, but overall, these numbers are pretty damn small, so they aren't really clinically meaningful difference in grand scheme of things. Look how tiny these numbers are.
- 0.009% risk of myocarditis among UN-vaccinated without COVID. () (Note: this is baseline risk in general population)
- 3.24X higher risk or 0.026% risk of myocarditis among vaccinated without COVID
- 18.28X higher risk or 0.17% risk of myocarditis among UN-vaccinated infected with COVID.
Here's an opinion from a purported medical licensed doctor on this specific study.