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taxiya

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CanSino's Ad5 cell line is licensed from the Canadian government. The same cell line is used in CanSino's ebola vaccine, world's first viral vector vax. Canada claims China did not authorize export of CanSino shot for the trial to pressure Canada to release Meng Wan Zhou. But, in the grand scheme of things, two wrongs don't make a right. China should have approved shipment of CanSino to Canada. De Ren Xin Zhe De Tian Xia. Playing squibbly little games will not get China there.

If you want to say something, please write it in plain Chinese then accompany it with English translation.

What you are saying is 得人心者得天下, which means "the one who win the heart of people win the world". The people are the ones which honesty, not the kind of people in the Canadian government. Unfortunately these people in Canada have no influence and power, the ones who do have power have no honesty. Trying to win the hearts of the later is like 东郭先生, the person who saves the wolf which in turn wants to eat the person.
 

taxiya

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Fosun invested in BioNTech and got the vax in China. It's only a 50 million USD investment for a nearly 1% stake. Fosun invested 135 million USD to develop the BioNTech vax.

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Again, what is the point? Fosun does not own the IP of the vaccine. It is just a factory like Foxcom making Iphones in China. Fosun does not have the key technologies to make the ingredients such as the nano tech as the carrier which will be subjected to US blockage even if it comes from Germany.

There is no free lunch, there is no shortcut for anything.
 
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taxiya

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CanSino's Ad5 cell line is licensed from the Canadian government. The same cell line is used in CanSino's ebola vaccine, world's first viral vector vax. Canada claims China did not authorize export of CanSino shot for the trial to pressure Canada to release Meng Wan Zhou. But, in the grand scheme of things, two wrongs don't make a right. China should have approved shipment of CanSino to Canada. De Ren Xin Zhe De Tian Xia. Playing squibbly little games will not get China there.

CanSino vaccine has been exported to other countries, I have NOT heard any complains from Canadian government for IP infringement. Regardless license or nor, CanSino does not depend on Canada's cooperation in the trail. That defeats your argument "China must give the vaccine to Canada".
 

taxiya

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True. But if Fosun bought up BioNTech back in say 2019 when BioNTech was worth close to nil,
That was before the Covid pendamic. 事后诸葛亮 (hindsight) is never of any value.
Fosun would have all the mRNA tech it needs by now.
Technology is not something on paper that you can by. It is something of physical in the factory and the lab and lots of experience to realize. You get an instruction does not make you able to make a thing out of it.
 

KYli

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True. But if Fosun bought up BioNTech back in say 2019 when BioNTech was worth close to nil, Fosun would have all the mRNA tech it needs by now.
It is a good investment. But other than that, it has little value to China. China wants companies such as Walvax, Sinopharm, and Stemirna Therapeutics that have the technology, factory, and own supplies chain to develop and manufacture mRNA vaccines.

Correct, but it was a strategic blunder on China's part. By blocking CanSino to Canada, not only did China lose a significant leverage over Canada, billions of worth of license revenue, and in the end doomed Meng Wan Zhou. Meng Wan Zhou committed crime. It was not Canada's fault to arrest her. Canada did the right thing. Crime ought to be punished, no matter the race, nationality, gender, citizenship. Like I said. De Tian Xia Zhe De Ren Xin. And it seems the younger Chinese generation forgot all the old Chinese wisdoms on how to win.
Given how European blocked Chinese vaccines at the height of the pandemics, I don't see how CanSino could make it through the regulations of Canada. Even if it did, it probably would end up like J&J.

In addition, covid vaccines have nothing to do with Meng. When Canada Trudeau ordered the arrest of Meng due to the pressure of the US, there is very little room for maneuver. Meng committed no crime. Even according to your judge and lawmakers, Meng committed no crime and has violated no law in Canada. So stop your nonsense about Canada doing the right thing. US in fact has asked many countries to arrest Meng but other countries are smart enough to recognize this is a politically motivated prosecution and rejected the US request. Canada is the only country that chose to bow to the US pressure and arrest Meng. It is sad to see Canada has no great politicians or have any independent foreign policies left. Therefore, winning hearts and minds of Canada is biggest waste of time and shouldn't even be considered.

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AssassinsMace

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Vaccines in the West are highly political so it's pointless to speculate China should've done this or that. There were other pharmaceuticals making promising vaccines but because they didn't get government funding, they went no where. China having a higher profile in those companies would've played in the decision making.
 

OppositeDay

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There's no point in talking China buying Moderna or BioNTech when Germany moved to prevent US from acquiring CureVac. There's zero possibility that Fosun or any other Chinese company would have been allowed to acquire Moderna or BioNTech.
 

taxiya

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Correct, but it was a strategic blunder on China's part. By blocking CanSino to Canada, not only did China lose a significant leverage over Canada, billions of worth of license revenue, and in the end doomed Meng Wan Zhou. Meng Wan Zhou committed crime. It was not Canada's fault to arrest her. Canada did the right thing. Crime ought to be punished, no matter the race, nationality, gender, citizenship. Like I said. De Tian Xia Zhe De Ren Xin. And it seems the younger Chinese generation forgot all the old Chinese wisdoms on how to win.
If nothing can stop Canada acting against China, there is nothing for China to loose in screwing Canada.

The vaccine is a sellers market. The buyers are beggars. There are more demand outside Canada that CanSino can meet. Serving Canada makes no difference. License revenue means allowing Canada to produce, why would China help a potential competitor? Especially a hostile one?

Meng Wan Zhou did NOT commit any crime. Don't give me the BS. What she was accused by USA was done in Chinese territory. If that is a crime, I will call Obama a criminal for violating Anti-secession law of PRC, I will call the Canadians who bestow Canadian citizenship to Dalai Lama criminals.

It is absolutely Canada's crime to kidnap Meng Wan Zhou at the behest of USA on a false jurisdiction claim (extraterritoriality).

Crime ought to be punished. Therefor, Canada as a whole should be punished, the western country is no exceptions.

What you said "De Tian Xia Zhe De Ren Xin." was NOT the Chinese saying that you think to know. You made the wrong order, therefor the opposite meaning. You are basically saying "the one who conquer the world conquer people".
 

Nutrient

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China can become EQUALS of the West in mRNA vaccine tech overnight by hitting efficacy-equality, whereas it will take DECADES of years of joint-ventures to equal to build an equivalent Western high-end luxury car that has thousands and thousands of components to get right. In contrast with mRNA vaccines, you only need to hit 'efficacy' equivalency to be equal to them. Add in adverse events too. The criteria is much easier than automobiles equality.

The best technology doesn't always win in business: Betamax lost to VHS in spite of having clearer pictures. Sometimes the biggest company will win, because it is the biggest. In the twelve months ending June 30, 2021,
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. How large are Sinopharm and Sinovac?

Your "advice" would be quite terrible for China. To avoid being overwhelmed in pharma, China may need joint ventures yet, like Fosun/BioNTech.
 
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